1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Ukraine scandal Megathread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. Rashmon

    Rashmon Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2000
    Messages:
    19,249
    Likes Received:
    14,461
    It depends on what the definition of is is...right?
    [​IMG]
     
    B-Bob likes this.
  2. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    17,052
    Likes Received:
    8,760
    This was false and retracted. He wasn't an advisor. It was corrected by ABC and axios. More bad reporting.

    And you suggesting there is promise is also wrong. Your 'implied' promise lacks any evidence.
     
    cml750 and Silent_Bob like this.
  3. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    50,207
    Likes Received:
    40,917
    Yes, he was an adviser to the current president, you are wrong, the correction was only that he isn't a current adviser.

    Why don't you reply to @fchowd0311 post then?
     
    No Worries and fchowd0311 like this.
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,082
    Likes Received:
    32,972
    Impeach him - narrow scope - let's get the senators on record.

    DD
     
    Rashmon and No Worries like this.
  5. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,675
    Likes Received:
    36,631
    There is nothing implied. Read my earlier comment.
     
  6. MojoMan

    MojoMan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,746
    Likes Received:
    2,153
  7. adoo

    adoo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2003
    Messages:
    9,589
    Likes Received:
    6,115
    like john mitchell, Nixon's AG, Barr will be prisoned for the cover up
     
    Hakeemtheking and No Worries like this.
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,082
    Likes Received:
    32,972
    Funny how many excuses the Trump fans make, without any thought of America first.

    Why not actually PUT AMERICA FIRST - and not your fandom of Trump?

    If he broke the law and asked for help from a foreign power - and he admitted he did, that is against the law and is an impeachable offense.

    So sorry you don't like it....but you were in favor of a blow job by an intern - and lying about it being impeachable......try to stay consistent...for once...

    DD
     
    Hakeemtheking likes this.
  9. Rashmon

    Rashmon Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2000
    Messages:
    19,249
    Likes Received:
    14,461
    Flush the turd November 3rd!
     
    ima_drummer2k and RayRay10 like this.
  10. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,085
    Likes Received:
    16,971
    OK, you are right. Barr might not be the best choice.

    How about DJTJ? Trump's son is also likely to pardon his sorry ass.
    Or maybe Ivanka? This might not be the first woman President that we want, but the one we need.
     
  11. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    17,052
    Likes Received:
    8,760
    He was an advisor for the transition team... and was released in April. Huffington post thinks its a significant blunder



    Because he wrote more text then I am willing to read of his. Summarize.

    why dont you keep telling me about Trump's promises that dont exist.
     
    Silent_Bob likes this.
  12. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    30,992
    Likes Received:
    14,518
  13. juicystream

    juicystream Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2001
    Messages:
    29,286
    Likes Received:
    5,399
    The whistle blower complaint is definitely bad. After the transcript, I figured maybe he gets through this like other controversies and excuses would be made and he'd survive, but now I see it as an almost lock that the House impeaches, and depending on how much of the complaint can be proved, I think the Republicans may finally turn their back on him and convict.
     
  14. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    50,207
    Likes Received:
    40,917
    And why is it a significant blunder and how does it invalidate the fact that Trump solicited Ukraine?


    Alright, I'll tell you...

    The whistleblower is almost irellevant at this point as Trump the idiot has admitted to the two pieces of information that make this clear extortion and election interference.

    He admitted that he froze military aid to Ukraine however he gave 3 seperate contradictory reasons why he did it which is hilarious in itself and clear indication that he is backtracking and trying to find a legal reason that doesn't look like blatant extortion. And then he admits that he did ask the Ukrainian president to investigate his political opponent and invoked the attorney general and Trump's personal lawyer, Gulliani to help with the request for investigation. These are things readily admitted by Trump and the administation when they released their version of the "transcript" which was essentially a memo.

    The GOP thinks you're stupid. I just heard a Texas GOP congressman John Ratcliffe make a cockamamie argument that since the whistleblower's accounts were second hand, this complaint isn't valid and that Trump spoke to a foreign leader and that's his business therefore zero context need be applied. GOP voters, he thinks you are stupid.

    The promise that is implied if you aren't a naive child or a partisan hack is the threat of freezing military aid that was already promised. It's extortion.

    You don't freeze military aid to a country without consulting your staff and other world leaders who have a vested interest and then a couple of days later call the president of that country you froze already promised military aid to and ask for a favor to investigate a political opponent w stating how much the US helped said country which obviously implies the dangling of military aid.

    Don't play stupid. This is obvious extortion. Anyone who watches a god damn mafia genre movie can understand this.
     
  15. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    34,704
    Likes Received:
    33,737
    So The Federalist (nay, The Trumpist) has unique access to the full unedited version of the call transcripts? How on earth did they obtain such access? This is amazing, and they should share those so we can all judge for ourselves.
     
  16. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    17,052
    Likes Received:
    8,760
    it doesn't invalidate soliciting Ukraine. In fact Trump solicited Ukraine on lots of investigations. its not a crime. Its significant because hes not a meaningful source.
     
    cml750 and Silent_Bob like this.
  17. adoo

    adoo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2003
    Messages:
    9,589
    Likes Received:
    6,115
    Ari's convenient / baseless assertion is as absurd as Trump's claim that the whistle blower is a political hack and unpatriotic
     
  18. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    50,207
    Likes Received:
    40,917
    Yes, yes it is.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    20,999
    Likes Received:
    12,870
    Old Trump has a habit of asking foreign governments for help against political rivals.

    The Mueller Report showed the same damn behavior. Just imagine if this was Clinton.... then you can understand.
     
  20. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,389
    Likes Received:
    54,276
    Actually the funny part of this partisan cartoon is trump eating dinner with flotus... and that she would care what he ate...
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now