EPA set to revoke California's authority to set vehicle standards

These mpg standards have resulted in Start/Stop (which reduces engine life), aluminum bodies, direct injection (sometimes along with port injection) turbos, 10 speed transmissions, and not much better real world gas mileage.

The small engine turbo scheme works great if you never use boost. Once you do the mpg drops. The 10 speed auto can keep the EPA tests out of boost but in the real world people are driving their much smaller engines the way they want.

The real impact is on consumers now driving more expensive cars, that perform poorer, don't deliver the mileage and won't last as long as they could without these tricks.

 

How much do you want the cheapest car to cost. If you are willing to not have an ICE car sold in the USA for under 50K you could probably set the minimum to 50-60MPG

 

If car manufacturers start making a car totally different for California, then we have a problem. That's just going to make buying and selling a heck a lot of harder. If BMW wants to make a 50mpg and sell it everywhere, that's one thing but if they sell a 50mpg in cali, and a 32mpg in Texas...it's going to become a mess.

 

The people of California have every right to dictate how much pollution automakers put into their air they breath. GM doesn't have to sell cars in Cali if it doesn't want to abide by their regulations, just like Toyota, Kia, VW, and any other car manufacturer.

Who runs Cali - the people or the industry?

 

This was never an issue before, for so many years. And now it is?

How do car manufacturers adjust to the needs of every country? You realize that the standards are different in different countries?

 

Car companies have thought it worthwhile to make cars that match California's standards. Some of that efficiency has made its way to cars sold in other states benefitting those states as well.

It hasn't been a problem. It has reduced pollution and improved the air quality here in Cali.

 

Whatever i wasn't trying to argue about the environment and California

Just making a point that their economy doesn't reflect how many cars GM sells there. It probably reflects the pct of the population they represent

 

Real world mpg have improved quite a bit.
And yes small displacement motors with turbos does benefit fuel economy in the long run because 90% commuting is mundane even for enthusiasts who love to hoon. The net effect is less emmisions.

The emission standards in the past 30 years in Cali have visibly helped the state.

 

I see non enthusiasts constantly racing light to light, passing, cutting me off, and doing 85 on BW8. Ford just released a 7.3 L pushrod, iron block, port injected engine for customers who want efficiency, but are not subject to EPA test procedures.

MPG goes up from lighter cars and giantic transmissions but those all cost money. So do turbos and twice as many fuel injectors with dual pressure systems. When these cars get old, working people will be in a real mess.

It's crap for your new car buyer in the lower price points, and keeps them in older cars which increases emissions.

 

Previous quote was Road and Track.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...9/ford-super-duty-73-v8-engine-details-specs/
This is consumer reports

 

Someone mention recent history ... let’s revisit some of it...

Btw, innovative solution will always face some bumps, it’s the nature of being new. The few examples here and there is pretty much nit picking and missing the big picture. Agency do catch on eventually when some in the industry try to game the standard. Consumers also have plenty of choices to pick from.

What the admin doing here, shutting down the state choice to have higher standard then the fed, is an extreme position.... against 50 years of precedence.


https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/about/history

On Aug. 30, 1967, a diverse group of California leaders came together to unify statewide efforts to address severe air pollution. Governor Ronald Reagan approved the Mulford-Carrell Air Resources Act to create the State Air Resources Board, committing California to a unified, statewide approach to aggressively address the serious issue of air pollution in the state.

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) was a merger of the Bureau of Air Sanitation and the California Motor Vehicle Pollution Control Board. That same year, the Federal Air Quality Act of 1967 was enacted, giving California the ability to set its own more stringent air quality rules due to California's unique geography, weather and expanding number of people and vehicles.

In fact, the history of California’s pioneering efforts to reduce air pollutants dates back even further. The first recognized episodes of ‘smog’ occurred in Los Angeles in the summer of 1943. Visibility was only three blocks. People suffered from burning eyes and lungs, and nausea. The phenomenon was termed a "gas attack" and blamed on a nearby butadiene plant.

But when the plant was shut down, the smog did not abate. In 1947, the Los Angeles County Air Pollution Control District -- the first such body in the nation -- was formed. The district regulated obvious culprits, like smoke-belching power plants and oil refineries, but still the smog persisted.

It was not until the early 1950s that it became clear the automobile was the main culprit. That’s when Dr. Arie Haagen-Smit discovered the nature and causes of photochemical smog. He made the discovery while on a one-year leave of absence from Caltech, where he was a bioorganic chemistry professor. Working in a specially-equipped Los Angeles air district laboratory, he determined that two chief constituents of automobile exhaust – airborne hydrocarbons from gasoline, and oxides of nitrogen (NOx) produced by internal combustion engines – were to blame for smog. His research, highlighting the reaction of sunlight with automobile exhaust and industrial air pollution, became the foundation upon which today’s air pollution regulations are based.

California began to take action statewide, forming a Bureau of Air Sanitation within the California Department of Public Health, and requiring that department to establish air quality standards and set necessary controls on motor vehicle emissions of air pollutants. In 1966 California established the first tailpipe emissions standards in the nation.

A year later the California Air Resources Board was established. Just three years later the federal Clean Air Act, expanding on the 1967 Air Quality Act, recognized California’s earlier efforts, and authorized the state to set its own separate and stricter-than-federal vehicle emissions regulations to address the extraordinary circumstances of population, climate and topography that generated the worst air in the nation.

Under that authority, only four years later CARB adopted the nation’s first NOx emissions standards for motor vehicles, and led the way to the development of the catalytic converter that would revolutionize the ability to reduce smog-forming emissions from cars.

That was just the beginning. Under the provisions of the Clean Air Act, CARB has adopted, implemented and enforced a wide array of nation-leading air pollution controls, based on a strong foundation of science over the next five decades. This regulatory history reflects a longstanding partnership between state and federal air quality regulators during both Republican and Democratic presidential administrations. This partnership has allowed California to develop and implement air pollution control strategies that have proven to be a model for other states, the nation and other countries.

Since its formation, CARB has worked with the public, the business sector and local governments in its effort to find solutions to California’s air quality problems. Some of the innovative vehicle emission control strategies that have led to cleaner air in California include:

• The nation’s first tailpipe emissions standards for hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide (1966), oxides of nitrogen (1971), and particulate matter from diesel-fueled vehicles (1982);
• Catalytic converters, beginning in the 1970s;
• On-board diagnostic, or “check engine” light, systems, beginning with 1988 model-year cars;
• A Zero-Emission Vehicle (ZEV) regulation (1990) that requires manufacturers to produce an increasing number of ZEVs;
• The nation’s first greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars (mandated by the Legislature in 2002 and approved by CARB in 2004); and
• California’s Advanced Clean Cars Program (2012), which reduces both conventional “criteria” and greenhouse gas pollutant emissions from automobiles.

In the 1980s and ‘90s, California cars became the cleanest in the world, and California’s fuel became the cleanest, too. CARB, which had already eliminated lead in gasoline, adopted standards for cleaner-burning gasoline, as well as initial standards for cleaner diesel fuel for trucks and buses. CARB also began work to reduce smog-forming emissions from thousands of common household products.

In the 2000s, CARB became responsible for monitoring and reducing greenhouse gas emissions that cause climate change. Assembly Bill 32, also known as the Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, was signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, giving CARB this new role. AB 32 established a first-in-the-world comprehensive program of regulatory and market mechanisms to achieve real, quantifiable, cost-effective reductions in greenhouse gases.

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I thought republicans were for states rights?

DD

 

Only when it comes to slavery or oppressing women.