[POLL] Do you think Kavanaugh is a sex offender?

Try 25 - the FBI hasn't spoken to any of them so how would you even know?

 

The Times story is a bit of a boondoggle, but that doesn't really make Kavanaugh automatically innocent.

 

Aren’t we all guilty?

 

The fact that there is absolutely ZERO evidence up to this point that he did anything wrong actually does automatically make him innocent.

 

"Innocent" doesn't mean there's no evidence against you, but that you in fact have not transgressed. Following in our legal tradition, I'm content to say he's not guilty. But, to say he's "innocent" claims a level of knowledge you can't have.

Besides which, as I often have to remind posters here, in our legal system witness testimony is evidence. You might not find it robust or convincing, but that's not zero evidence.

 

It's fascinating to me that Kavanaugh accusations get Trump fans so worked up. It's no surprise that Fox and other Right Wing hate radio syndicates won't shut up about it.

The man was accused of sexual assault. Democrats rightfully asked for an investigation before we appoint him to the highest court in our country, and that investigation was an obvious sham (White House controlled as Chris Wray testified to).

On it's face this should be very much a story 99% of us agree on. The Democrats simply wanting an investigation before voting for him was incredibly reasonable. The Republicans would want that too under normal circumstances if there was no urgency (vote happened right before midterms) to maintain their credibility to appointing respectable judges.

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However the simple reason that this SCOTUS accusation is such a lightning rod issue is because Trump fans are suckers for crackpot conspiracy theories. You guys have completely lost your minds because of right wing propaganda that has radicalized your thought process. On its face, the Kavanaugh situation should be universally agreed on.

But because deep state conspiracy is able to be injected into the scandal, you guys lose your sh%t, and your responses are completely predictable. You guys have been effectively radicalized.

The Kavanaugh scandal is one we all should agree on if your heads are screwed on correctly. Before we let someone on the highest court in the land, at the very least investigate the accusations, and delay putting someone on the court for at least a couple weeks.

 

Tell that to your God-Emperor Trump.

Lying is a strong word to use since it presumes that the person doing it knows the information before hand. They never admitted that they lied, just that they got the story wrong.

One thing we see from the sources that you tend to use is that they don't even admit when they are wrong and their bias is clear, yet you'll constantly attack others for using the NYT when your sources are far worse.

 

The authors of the book wrote the NYT article.....

They know the information in their own book. The editors knew what was in their book.

 

You don't know that the editors knew what was in their book. It makes absolutely 0 sense that the editors knew, ran with it anyways knowing the risk of having egg on their face as they do now, and then retracting/editing the story. It looks like the NYT didn't do their due diligence and should look over authors that write articles for their opinion section and as soon as they found out they corrected it.

I agree that they should be more careful with what they publish, but this is how the news works now as there is always a hurry to get news out to get clicks.

At least some news organizations are willing to wear the dunce hat for their mistakes. You should carry this same standard for the news organizations that you follow and champion.

 

It does if you understand retraction journalism. They will sell tons of books and the damage to their credibility means nothing. Look at how you and DD respond to their blunder by declaring how respectable they are. You dont care about their disho esty.

And of course the editors knew. the authors are even now throwing the editors under the bus claiming they removed it



Please keep defending these ass clowns

 

Who am I defending again? Please re-read my previous post.

Retraction Journalism is a term you've just made up. Retraction and correction are things literally taught in any Journalism class for a reason, because its what responsible journalists do.

The authors just said they thought the mistake was made in the haste of putting the story out there. Here you have someone that works for the Daily Caller (another far right news org that is rated low on factual reporting...) being dishonest about the conversation. Listen to what is being said.

The authors said that since the NYT does not include the names of victims that they think the excerpt was removed because it included the victim's name. If what they said is true, and you linking this makes me assume you believe their story, then no one lied and a mistake was made.

I really do hope you carry this standard with where you get your news from going forward.

 

Are there really people still on this issue? Holy **** go outside. Get a life.

If you don't watch it, you're gonna' end up like Jason Adderly's boy.

 

its actually worse that they dont carry this same standard for their politicians.

 

You've been ranting about how the NYT has integrity after they've been caught lying....

it is if you intentionally lie knowing youc an just print a retraction and a tenth of the readers will see the retraction. Damage done. thats how retraction journalism works.
They bank on you not caring that they lied. you don't. Look a the responses in this thread to this story 'Kavanaugh is probably a rapist but what can you do' . The false story did its job.

why would anyone believe this? all an editor would have to do is remove the name not the denial. 'the victim denies this happened according to her friends' . Use your brain Jay. This is a bullshit answer. They keep feeding you **** and you just eat it up every time. Why do you think the NYT is avoiding having to address this?

of being intentionally lied to? sure. I really hope you apply any standards to any news source you use, but apparently you don't.

 

Funny watching the trump defenders describing the NYT as a "retraction". The Times retracted nothing... they added detail, or "re-added" detail not published in the original article. But just like trump, the trump defenders either don't know what a "retraction" is, or they know, and purposely be misleading about what happened.

 

When I heard it described that way I knew it wasn't a real retraction because the NYT almost never actually retracts big stories like that. Even when they are blatantly wrong. This is the same at other large media outlets and why people hate them. And why the orange man capitalizes on that hate.

 

For the first time in a long time I completely agree with you on this point.

 

Its a purposeful distraction. Its like what they did with Lawrence O'Donnell on Trump's finances and what they did years ago when Dan Rather reported on George W. essentially going awol to trash a home getting drunk every night in Alabama, and the story got diverted to Dan Rather's reporting inaccuracies rather than W's drunk a$$ swinging from chandeliers & daddy paying 20K to repair the home.

 

Yes, because as I said, retraction and correction is a basis of journalism. It's literally what a responsible journalist does because they are bound to make mistakes and it would/should be teached in any serious journalistic class because there are laws (defined by each state) that come into play about retraction and correction if someone is to sue for defamation.

There is 0 proof that they lied though?

People believing that Kavanaugh is a rapist or horrible person comes as a conclusion for the story in whole, dating back to his hearing, it's not like this story changed anyone's mind.

Editors miss crap all the time is why, simple stuff, their story is just as likely as anything else. That the editor skimmed over an opinion piece, saw the name, deleted the excerpt because of the name, moved on. Got called out for it, corrected the article.

It makes less sense to me that they would do this on purpose knowing that other right wing publications would call it out and throw egg on their face and they would have to wear it.

Do you know how the NYT handles submissions and editing them when it comes to opinion pieces? It sounds like you may have some knowledge there? Times Opinion seems to have a history of just throwing stuff out to the wind.

Sure. NYT still rates higher on integrity and factual reporting than any of the sources you've thrown out thus far.

My standards is that if you make a mistake you own it and that's what the NYT did with their correction and I'm still waiting on several corrections, refractions, and quite frankly apologies from a lot of the outlets that you link.

I understand that in totality this is just a conservative war to tear down legitimate journalism to replace it with propaganda outfits though.

 

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WOW, now Blasey Ford's friend is saying she was pressured and threatened by a 'smear campaign' if she didn't support Blasey Ford's allegations. Thankfully this person rose above these threats and told the truth, which is that she didn't remember any of the alleged events. This was a scam from day 1 intended to block Kavanaugh, not to seek justice for Professor Baby Voice. These people tried to ruin Kavanaugh's life using lies and threats. The lowest of low. And the media and MANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES gave this a false air of legitimacy by running with these completely unsubstantiated allegations. Shame on them.

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