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(Unpopular opinion) I don’t like Harden’s one-leg three

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by snowconeman22, Sep 12, 2019.

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  1. YOLO

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    elite athlete's dont get hurt? o_O
     
    #61 YOLO, Sep 13, 2019
  2. bmelo

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    It's unblockable because he goes off running off one foot while defender can only jump off two. His hangtime will be way longer than defender, and defender has to jump towards him to block it which will result in foul
     
    #62 bmelo, Sep 13, 2019
  3. Dankstronaut

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    I don’t care if he starts shooting halfcourt granny shots with 20 seconds on the clock if he’s shooting them at 36% or better.

    Ball in basket. Do.
     
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  4. snowconeman22

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    Morey ?
     
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  5. Carl Herrera

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    The 1-leg 3 is NOT the move that Harden is working on. It is a distraction to throw you people off the scent of his actual new move:


    the 3-leg 1.
     
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  7. BigDog63

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    I couldn't care less if he does it from the ground, from a hand stand, back to the basket, underhand, whatever...so long as it goes in at a steady rate. If this moves help him do that, great. If not...ditch it.
     
    #67 BigDog63, Sep 13, 2019
  8. Swapshop

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    Troll thread but I will play along. He should hold back his eurostep, his regular shot, his layup, basic 3's. He should hold it all back because everything can be scouted.
     
    #68 Swapshop, Sep 13, 2019
  9. snowconeman22

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    Troll response but I’ll play along .

    Do you remember when josh smith and Dwight Howard went bonkers vs the mavs that one game with alleyoops ?

    Do you think if we ran the 4/5 pick and roll say 30 percent of the time in the regular season beforehand .... that the Mavericks would have been equally unprepared

    If you can remember a bit more ... you’d know that smith and Howard didn’t go off like that again for the rest of the series . The mavs adjusted .

    Do you think that defenses got any better at contesting Harden’s 3’s as the season went on ?

    The point is that any move any play is subject to diminishing returns .

    I didn’t make this thread claiming I know for a fact that if harden shoots, say 3 of these shots a game, it will be useless by playoffs . Clearly James stepback was still effective in the playoffs . However , the jazz did do some things to take it away .... harden adapted and the results were mixed .

    It’s a game of adjustments , especially when you go into series .

    The information you go into the series with is very important .

    Look who’s won recently and if they as an organization went all out during the regular season . They havent . Everyone talks about taking their game up a notch in the playoffs . Is it really absurd to suggest that it might be a good idea for James to hold some moves in reserve .... or at the least use them sparingly during the regular season so they aren’t at the forefront of opposing scouting efforts ?

    Let’s say you have a pitcher that could throw 108 mph . What do you think other teams are gonna do if they know that ? Probably get guys in the batting cage and practice the timing . Do you think it might be a better idea to have him throw only 104 during the regular season ... then surprise another team with in when it counts more ?

    It might be that it takes an average batter 1 week of practice to get prepared to have an equal percentage chance of hitting that fastball .

    You are grossly underestimating the amount of analysis and preparation professional basketball organizations and players undertake. Teams can take film from every harden jumper , calculate an average of how far he moves in a given direction and try to prepare defenders to contest efficiently .

    Do you remember 10 years ago when Shane battier was talking about having data on Kobe Bryant and how often he goes which direction etc ? He then used that info to try and make life as hard on Kobe as possible .

    Harden is a smart player . He can adapt quickly and has multiple moves . I’d STILL rather not give defenses more information on tendencies and how to effectively contest shots
     
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  10. Garner

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    come on now....
     
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  11. YOLO

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    i mean that's what i thought when you're merely saying he's an "elite athlete" so things that @snowconeman22 , myself, and a few others mentioned about being concerned about sudden body movement shifts and weight in high intensity environments seem to not be much of a factor to you. I mean people should know by now in sports any mistep in an instance, can result in a tear/sprain of some degree.

    In this case, we're seeing harden putting much of his weight on one leg in a shifty movement. personally, id rather not him do this on a regular basis either. I've seen and been around enough knee injuries to prefer him not doing so
     
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    Its directional (angular) in how it creates space …. just like the step back and side step but going at a forward angle.

    Its not that it creates "more space" than the other options , but that it does create space. Its that it gives him another option in how to create space and create that space to get off a good shot. And one more thing for defenders to think about.

    Hope that makes sense.
     
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  13. Amiga

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    Where is the video of this one legged 3? Can’t make an opinion without it.
     
    #73 Amiga, Sep 13, 2019
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  15. Amiga

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    Awesome, just another tool in his arsenal. I like.
     
    #75 Amiga, Sep 13, 2019
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    Let’s hope they don’t get under that one leg on the landing. He will landing. with all his weight on one foot, that will be catastrophic.
     
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  17. Swapshop

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    What you do not rely on some sort of trick move out of the sudden. Sounds good but you perfect each move in actual game play then during plays offs you use each move to put them on their heels. You dont surprise them with some sort of crazy move, you overwhelm them with many perfected ones.
     
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  18. Garner

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    Ha, that’s fine. I hear your point. Are you also anti

    Yea, sure. Except this is the most old man, “the lay-up is safer than the dunk” argument I’ve ever heard.

    You guys must bum each other out, right?
     
    #78 Garner, Sep 13, 2019
  19. bmelo

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    Right? i tore my acl year ago by landing on my heel while having a straight leg
     
    #79 bmelo, Sep 14, 2019
  20. YOLO

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    i mean what age is harden now. o_O lets not act like hes a young 20.
     
    #80 YOLO, Sep 14, 2019
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