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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. KingCheetah

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    Tic toc.
     
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  2. dmoneybangbang

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    I’ll repeat earlier thoughts...

    Brexit is merely nostalgic emotional response to a changing world, much like Trump.

    Populism based off incompetent, childish, emotion tends to get stuck.

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    There is no support for any coalition to replace him. They need to have an election, for a variety of reasons now. It appears to be not only inevitable, but likely to happen in a matter of weeks, not months.
     
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    Nigel Farage is willing to stand with the Tories in the next election. Under one condition. A commitment to a "No deal" Brexit.

    OK, this is kind of tricky. Farage is concerned that even if the backstop is left out of the deal, there are still other aspects which he is flatly opposed to. I get that. At the same time, it would be much better for all concerned if there was a responsible deal. A deal like that will almost certainly not be entirely to anybody's liking.

    So, how do you parse this out while pursuing an election campaign, and over the volume level of the din now underway in the UK and the EU over this issue?

    I like Nigel Farage. But it seems to me that it is Boris or bust at this point.
     
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    I got my popcorn ready and so far the drama hasnt dissappointed.

    Now we have reached the point where the government will try to fall itself by having a no confidence motion against itself and the opposition will vote in its support hahahaha
     
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    There can't be elections if Labour doesn't agree.
    And they don't agree because they don't trust Johnson not to pull another undemocratic trick and move the date after Brexit.
     
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    Time until next mojomein post...
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    This is non stop fun, we are living in exciting times.
     
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    Haha.

    Parliament just voted on a motion to reject No Deal. Boris counters by demanding a new election. Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP call his bluff and say pass a deal first.

    The British parliament is way more entertaining than Congress.
     
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    Two things still and apparently will always remain true:

    1. There will not be a no-deal Brexit. Ever.
    2. Mojoman has no understanding of anything about anything.
     
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    One of the big issues for the British economy is Brexit but few know how it will affect the smallish but still significant sectors. We're in for a tough, bruising few months.

    The biggest winners are the finance and insurance sector, the construction industry, the farming sector.

    Many have welcomed the arrival of new tariffs at the border but the trade negotiations are far from over.

    Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) in Britain and a key contender to lead the UK into the forthcoming EU referendum, has come under fire on social media for his odd political stance.

    The Ukip MEP is known for his far-right worldview and has also supported the idea of a referendum on EU membership that would allow citizens of several countries — including Britain — to decide in favor of leaving the European Union.

    Farage posted on Twitter that he and fellow member of British government David Davis — who is also a member of the Euroskeptic party — supported a referendum that will allow the British people to "vote to decide their future."

    But Farage's position on Brexit is uncertain.

    The UKIP politician suggested on Twitter that the British government might have been doing something wrong by allowing the referendum on EU membership in 2015. He wrote, "Can't wait to get a vote on whether we're allowed to stay in the EU. Time to vote."
     
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    There were 21 Tories that voted for the motion so I guess all 21 will be ejected from the party tomorrow. So the government will have a working majority of -22 tomorrow. Boris Johnson is off to a good start.

    Also props to the MP who ended the government's majority earlier today by switching parties in the middle of Johnson's speech and walking across parliament. I wish the US could have those kinds of theatrics. I would've loved to have seen Jim Jeffords do some theatrical walk across the Senate floor while Trent Lott was talking which would have triggered the entire Senate working order to collapse.
     
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    1. The only people who really want no deal are the same people who want no Brexit. This is their objective in lobbying against a "No deal" exit. What they are actually against is exiting under any circumstances.
    2. Some people around here seem to have it as their personal motto to never let an opportunity to be an a-hole pass them by.
     
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    Only one way to get all of this sorted. A general election.
     
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    We need this kind of **** in America. This is the most American thing I have seen. I would love to see Steven King and AOC embrace.
     
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    1). Certainly not true. Brexit is easy to campaign on, tough to legislate on. Brexit barely won the referendum, and once they won the Brexiters were caught flat footed at best.
     
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    Conveniently the position of Johnson, who would rather make this about Corbyn than about Brexit.
     
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    Parliament is going to try and stop Brexit and refuse to call a general election, so the voters have no recourse for their betrayal.

    Dark days for democracy.
     
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