Skins have been pretty adamant they want to keep him. Maybe just posturing but it hearing any on him.
I think you trade Clowney, 1st, another pick for Tunsil. This is all about Watson, in the end. He's the franchise. If he has time, it only elevates his greatness. You make this deal, extend Watson and Tunsil in the offseason and you don't have to worry about this positions for the next 5-7 years. Just be done with it. We've dealt with enough as Texans fans.
The answer is not trading Clowney right now. The real answer is you bring Clowney back, showcase him a couple games, then see what the market looks like for a PREMIER PASS RUSHER. Every other team that's traded someone similar (Seattle, New England, Oakland) has been able to extract significant assets from another team for their top drafted pass rusher. Now because of BOB's ego we're acting as though Clowney is a liability. If BOB the Ego will not allow Clowney to return to the team, you fire him before he does any more damage on our 2020 draft capital. Christ.
Clowney isn't coming back or signing an extension with us. That bridge is burned. If you hold onto him any longer, his price tag drops lower than it is now. Furthermore, it's too much of a distraction now. You overpay to get Tunsil and move on.
If you want to trade a 1st round pick and later round pick(s) for Tunsil, I'm all for it. But Clowney too? Sorry that's way too expensive.
Yep the Texans F'd up and yep now hopefully they get this left tackle and protect Watson for the rest of his career.
Respectfuly, I don't think some of you actually realize exactly how first round picks are valued in the NFL with its hard cap. Two firsts additional high picks and Clowney for Tunsil objectively would be significantly more value than the Raiders got for Kahlil Mack. "Worth it" is kind of a subjective judgement, so maybe it is worth it depending on how you value, but it is a huge haul, one of the best haul by NFL standards that I can remember. Off hand I can't think of a higher price payed for a player who wasnt a rookie/draft pick with potentially 5 years of rookie contract remaining.
This is cutting off his nose to spite his face. His goal is a long term big money deal. Forcing back to the Texans to get another franchise tag next year doesn't do that. This would just be spite for spite's sake.
It's cute that you equate LeVeon Bell with Clowney...and that you "already know the answer" to something you cannot know. One thing we do know, Bell didn't get paid while sitting out and that won't sit well with Clowney. Hey Now started that, not me, when he tried to tar me as a hypocrite. I guess it's OK to treat them as equivelent when justifying greed though. You talk like a team can tag as many players as it wants or that restricting player flexibility is a bad thing. Also, if a player doesn't want to risk playing "on the tag", then negotiate in good faith and avoid the tag. Finally, the tag doesn't introduce anything new in this regard, any player on his final year has the same issue. Are you arguing that all players are entitled to salary guarantees beyond their contract? Because if you are not, then this complaint about the tag is bogus. Look who's talking, the guy who "knows" LeVeon Bell's opinions on his holdout results. As for the rest, you're just spewing other people's talking points. Were the Texan's obligated to list him at the position he preferred for the money? What position is it claimed that he plays? There you go again stating things you cannot know. Also, I have never said Clowney is "only" responsible, only that he is responsible. This didn't start with Clowney waking up on the franchise tag, he got tagged because of actions he has chosen to take, and his problem has worsened because of actions he has been taking in response. Clowney is throwing a temper tantrum; a mature person would assess where he wants to process to go and take actions to make it happen, not actions to piss his team off. Due in no small part to the NFL being a better run league than the NBA. You're welcome to paint it in the rosiest light you want for the players, but in Clowney's case, being tagged and receiving the average of the top 5 best paid players at his position represents overpayment considering his production. On these grounds he has no reason to complain. If Clowney plays this year on the tag, he will receive 100 times what I am paid in a year, that money will be guaranteed and I am not a poorly paid person. How is that not, literally, the greatest "long term security" that you can ask for? The problem is not long term security, it is greed and wastefulness.
OT & just curious as this is a few years away, but wondering when the last time a franchise qb bailed for another team for this reason? If it hasn't happened lately, I think decisions like this might be coming to protect themselves, if the team doesn't. Especially since andrew luck. Hardly ever seems like qb's do that, if they are legit. ONly when they're borderline that guy, get franchise tagged etc they generally seem to stay put.
This is the absolute lowest Clowney's trade value can get. All fans salivating over a left tackle OR ELSE are having the same melodramatic overreaction that BOB is probably experiencing right now. In the process of negotiation you should never allow yourself to get to the point of desperation. Just step away from the table, take a deep breath, get some sleep, and reassess the situation for what it is. We have on our team right now a player in Titus Howard who Lance Zierlein thinks has easy Duane Brown potential. He may have some attributes that are concerning for occupying a LG position, but for LT his favorable qualities will shine through better. If you took a consensus from reasonable well-informed Texans fans about what we should do, if you forced upon us no trades or other free agency pickups, we would cut Kalil yesterday, put Roderick Johnson at LT for the time being, and groom Howard for the LT position down the line while starting at LG now. Center is Fulton so long as he's healthy, RG Scharping, RT Henderson as long as he's healthy. You go into the season with that, and you know what? You're already better than what we had last year, and Deshaun managed to get through last year okay. On the Clowney front, you do whatever you can to bring him back to play this season for the team. He essentially has a no-trade clause until you get him to sign his franchise tag tender. Once he signs it, though, all bets are off. Showcase him for 2-3 games, put him in position to get as many sacks as he can, and then when his value is nearer to Frank Clark's again, you get a similar deal for him from a team that needs a pash rush. This isn't rocket surgery. Buy low, sell high. Dump Bill O'Brien if he can't understand that.
Get through last year ok? That line was the reason Deshaun broke ribs, punctured his lung, and had to sit in the pocket forever. I’ve never seen a team have to max protect so frequently.
LOL if the Texans really have offered Clowney and a #1.... and will offer more. Tunsil isn’t an All Pro.... I am not sure why an above average LT is suddenly viewed as a top 3 LT.
