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White Supremacy, Racism and the great hoax

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocketman1981, Aug 7, 2019.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    I guess I am taking the people he retweets out of context too...


     
  2. NewRoxFan

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    But its a hoax, some say...

    Here's the data on white supremacist terrorism the Trump administration has been 'unable or unwilling' to give to Congress
    https://news.yahoo.com/heres-the-da...m-235254627.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw
     
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  3. T_Man

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    This is nothing more than Tucker taking one for the Trump Team... To divert the attention and media off of Trump and move it to him..

    T_Man
     
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    I'm not going to respond directly to the OP or many of the other posters. It is clear that they aren't interested in a discussion but more about wallowing in victimhood and willful ignorance. While they claim that their opponents are desperate nothing comes off as desperate as the winners of an election continuing to obsess about the loser of the last election almost three years later.

    What is important though about this is recognizing that this is the success of not just an ideology those lashing because they are unable to deal with a changing world and feel threatened by it but shows again how Trump is a master con man who in spite of his very obvious failings has convinced people that he is a savior and that not only is it their duty to forgive everything he does but to stand up for him no matter what he does. Consider when Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his followers would still support him. Are we not seeing proof of that in the extreme rationalizations that made by people who normally uphold morality as a core belief.

    While we are all paying the price for having a con man as a president one of the biggest tragedies is that for all of Trump's vitriol towards those who directly oppose him it should be clear that he doesn't respect those who support him. He tells such obvious lies to them, (Mexico is going to pay for the wall. Two weeks before the midterm elections he's going to pass a middle class tax cut, and etc.) but consider how in his rallies so much of it is just focused on himself and just him bragging about how great and rich he is. Consider again how he not only publicly stated but did so in one of his own rallies that his supporters would continue to support him even if he publicly committed murder. How low of an opinion does a politician have to have of his supporters to brag about how blind their loyalty and how willing they are to sell out moral principles. Can anyone imagine Obama saying such a thing on the campaign trail? Can anyone imagine Reagan saying that?
     
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    I'm pretty sure the lack of respect fits into his relationship with his supporters.

    Much easier to disavow than dub****, whom his supporters willingly and forcefully forgot the first six years of their policies and strongly disavowed Jr's last two.

    They practically penciled in this guy as their FU candidate in different and staggered primaries across the nation. As long as Trump keeps his ugly election creed, they'll probably each prop other up because it's mutually beneficial and they both feel they can't survive otherwise.

    So I think it's a mainstream liberal write-off that Trump's political success is because he "pulled one over" Republican voters, as if they're dumb or can't think better of themselves. It's the same attitude that dismiss flyover states or old white Democrat bastions like what we saw in the Hillary leaks.

    Quite frankly, the 4 out of 5 Republicans who support Trump's policies should be held accountable for the ugliness they're supporting.

    This is getting towards that point where Germans gave up their neighbors came from nationalistic fervor rather than being card carrying national socialists.

    "But it was only the Nazis doing all the evil!"

    Much easier to shrug and squirm away in the aftermath.
     
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    This is nonsense. The Dems won in 2018 focusing on healthcare in Trump districts and all of the leading Dems’ primary aspects of their campaign (IE Kamala’s “3AM agenda, etc) are about issues.

    Trump is the one who makes race the lead story on the news every day and you damn well know that. It’s disingenuous to present that as otherwise. “Go back to your country” was started by Trump and he knew damn well it was bait to get his base all defensive, insecure, and manic as people called a spade a spade. He knows his base is insecure about racism and he plays you guys and the media like a fiddle.

    THE MEDIA is a completely different entity that you guys love to conflate with the Democratic Party. If you watched any of the first two debates it should be obvious that they do not work for the party.

    Have Dems being interviewed by the media not pivoted off of race quick enough when asked by a Chris Cuomo or Chris Matthews??.. that’s a legit question and think they can do better, but as a platform you and I know they all are not running on race. The media runs with it because race gets ratings and the Dems have to be better at making a stance on Trumps obvious racism, and pivot to the issues that’ll help them win in 20.

    But I challenge you to go to any of the leading candidates websites and show me where they have RACE as their lead agenda items for 2020.
     
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    Maybe Arizona doesn't think its a hoax?

     
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    When I google white nationalist, why does a picture of you come up?
     
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    Boomer...
     
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    Just out of curiosity, where exactly do you make up your news?
     
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    YouTube personalities such as Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Trump should be wearing a white hood.

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    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889

    A new study finds that 36 crimes have been linked to Trump with the high bar of being stated in the police reports that the perp expliclty stated under the threat of purgery that they were inspired by Trump. The bar is so high that it leaves out many hate crimes targeting Hispanics or Muslims because the police reports and testimony doesn't explicitly state that the perp stated they were inspired by Trump word for word.

    What's most shocking is the study used the EXACT SAME criteria for the previous 2 adminstrations, Obama and Bush Jr, and found 0... ZERO crimes where under the threat of purgery where the perp explicitly stated "I did this because Bush inspired me" or "I did this because Obama inspired me".
     
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    Yikes. Even Raphael Cruz says your hoax is a hoax.

     
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    Good thing this golden girl of a man was stopped...

    Las Vegas Man Arrested in Plots Against Jews Was Said to Be Affiliated With Atomwaffen Division
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    A still from an Atomwaffen Division video of a "hate camp," in which members with military experience provide training in firearms and guerrilla tactics.

    For two years, the basic description had appeared in reporting by ProPublica and FRONTLINE: Atomwaffen Division is a neo-Nazi organization eager for a race war and committed to terrorist attacks against Jews, immigrants and other targets in the U.S. — power grids, nuclear facilities — that would foment fear.

    The description ran in stories describing how the group had been connected to five murders in recent years, including one involving a gay, Jewish college student in California. It appeared in a FRONTLINE film raising questions about the federal response to domestic terrorism threats just weeks after 11 Jewish worshipers were allegedly killed by a racist gunman in Pittsburgh.

    So it was striking, then, when late last week those very words turned up a formal complaint filed by federal prosecutors as they announced the arrest of a 23-year-old man in Las Vegas for plotting to firebomb one or more Jewish sites in the city.

    “AWD is a white supremacist extremist organization,” the complaint read. “AWD membership consists of mostly white males between the ages of approximately 16 to 30 years of age who all believe in the superiority of the white race. AWD utilizes a ‘leaderless resistance’ strategy in which small independent groups, or individuals called ‘lone wolves,’ try to achieve a common goal of challenging the established laws, social order, and government via terrorism and other violent acts. AWD encourages attacks on the federal government, including critical infrastructure, minorities, homosexuals, and Jews. AWD works to recruit like-minded members to the organization, train them in military tactics, hand to hand combat, bomb making, and other techniques in preparation for an ‘ultimate and uncompromising victory’ in a race war.”

    The man arrested in Las Vegas, Conor Climo, was affiliated with AWD, shared its ideology and violent aims, communicated with its members in secret online chats and once had joined one of its offshoot groups, the authorities charged.

    “I am more interested in action than online ****,” Climo said according to the complaint.

    The complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Las Vegas lays out a disturbing array of action Climo was allegedly willing to undertake:
    • Attacking a synagogue, maybe with a firebomb, maybe with a group of gunmen;
    • A similar attack on an office of the Anti-Defamation League;
    • Another against a gay bar;
    • A trial-run assault on a homeless encampment.
    In reporting on Atomwaffen, ProPublica and FRONTLINE obtained the group’s secret chat logs in which members openly talked about their hatred and violent ambitions; uncovered training sites where the group conducted weapons instruction; met with the group’s spiritual founder; and confronted both current and former members.

    Hanging over that reporting was a question, one asked by us and by current and former law enforcement officials worried about the threat of white supremacist terror: Where was the FBI? It seemed hard to imagine that an organization of extremist Islamists vowing to kill people and destabilize the government would not face federal scrutiny. Of course, part of the answer is that law enforcement is constrained in certain ways about how aggressively it can investigate and prosecute potential domestic terrorism threats.

    But in looking at the criminal complaint filed in Las Vegas last week, it appears that FBI agents conducted the sort of sting operation against Atomwaffen that they used to infiltrate and arrest suspected Islamic terrorist groups.

    Climo, according to the complaint, first became a subject of the bureau’s interest when he was featured in a local news segment about his plans for keeping Las Vegas secure. He publicly carried an automatic weapon and wore a tactical vest. Agents later became aware that Climo was allegedly affiliated with Atomwaffen, and they soon lined up a confidential informant to contact him. Climo, according to the complaint, eagerly shared his ideas for targeting Jewish sites, and in time, the FBI had an agent posing as a white supremacist ally begin dealing with Climo.

    A subsequent search of Climo’s residence turned up guns and bomb-making materials. Climo, who prosecutors say talked freely with the authorities even after his arrest, has been charged with possession of an unregistered firearm, which carries a maximum possible sentence of 10 years in prison. Climo does not yet appear to have entered a plea in the case.

    “Threats of violence motivated by hate and intended to intimidate or coerce our faith-based and LGBTQ communities have no place in this country,” U.S. attorney for Nevada Nicholas Trutanich said in a news release last week. “Law enforcement in Nevada remains determined to use the full weight of our investigative resources to prevent bias-motivated violence before it happens.”

    At its peak, in early 2018, Atomwaffen had about 80 members across the country, as well as a handful of followers in Canada, the United Kingdom and other countries. Since then, the group had been riven by internal conflict and lost many of its communications platforms, as internet companies have moved to shut down its websites and suspend the social media accounts of its members. It’s not clear how large or cohesive the organization currently is.

    Prosecutors alleged in the complaint that Climo had also associated with an Atomwaffen spinoff group called the Feuerkrieg Division.

    Read ProPublica’s coverage of Atomwaffen and watch the FRONTLINE film below.
     
  20. JayGoogle

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    You liberals love to toss around the word racist LOL just decent americans practicing their 2nd amendment rights!

    Keep calling everything racist and you'll get Trump elected again in 2020!
     
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