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Filling out the roster

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DustinS, Jul 14, 2019.

  1. jowman

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    We need another big to play heavy minutes. A rotation of capela and tucker(undersized) with 10 mins of chandler ain’t gonna cut it. A tall shooter would be awesome.

    Any chance we could pick up Dwight for min and we should trade capela for love and get Dwight Howard.
     
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  2. javal_lon

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    Why?.. D'Antoni only gonna play 7 of em when it matters most..
     
  3. dejamike

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    What you guys think about JR Smith? He just got waived by the Cavs.... bone headed player but lights out when he is on.... with the players that we currently have, he should get a lots of good looks.
     
  4. Da Wink

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    I wonder if we're gonna sign anyone who got experience overseas ala Tucker, or any cerebral Euro players...I think we need a 4 / 5 who can be reliable beyond the arc
     
  5. tmactoyao

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    I'd take a flyer on him. More depth at the 5 is always good. Athletic, young, and big.

    Also:



    Killed it in the G-League too. With a possible Hartenstein trade (cause of the delay of guaranteeing his contract), Wood should definitely see some interest from us.
     
  6. D-rock

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    Interesting smallball 5 option. Unless his 3ball has improved.

    Still very skinny, but only 23.

    6'11 with 7'3 wingspan and can switch on D.
     
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  7. HROZ

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    I like our rotation to be honest

    Capela (Chandler/Hartenstein/Clark)
    Tucker
    Gordon House
    Harden Green
    Westbrook Rivers

    Our backup Centre being
    Chandler when we need post defence
    Hartenstein when Chandler needs to rest
    Clark when we go small

    Green drops out of the rotation in the playoffs. (Presuming no Injuries)

    I'd like to see depth at the forward position
     
  8. roslolian

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    Cmon bro if Covington is as good as you say how come he only makes 12M? OmG an elite defender? Then why didnt Philly make the ECF when he was there where was this elite defense you are talking about? IIRC Cleveland and Toronto were the ones who got to ECF not Philly so where was this elite defense vs Lebron and Derozan? Ah right he couldnt even get that far his elite defense got destroyed by Rozier and Tatum lmao.

    Where do you get these terms like elite rebounder and elite defender? "Elite" means the best if Roco can guard the elite of the NBA he would be making the max not role player money.

    Look I'm not denying Roco would fit our team if you can add him then do so. But if it would require trading EG or Tucker away then thats a massive mistake as role players play worse in the playoffs. Unlike roco EG has always balled in playoffs he means business and takes names. Next year is his contract year he is gonna blow up to get a great extension.

    Roco is a known commodity getting him would reaquire even more resources like picks and part of our core. I would rather take a look at a guy like Christian wood and then bring back Shumpert for depth at the wing. Shumperts defense wasnt elite but it was pretty good if a dude likeRoco is gonna shoot like trash anyway there is virtually no diff from him and Shumpert.
     
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  9. luckyman76

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    No, the NBA is on tilt right now and players want to be in the right place. Putting off until later taking advantage of situations you know right now is not smart. The Rockets need long term assets to take advantage of additional salary right now or else I don’t believe they will later. Love and Covington are out there. Teams are ready to get out of the tax and dump distressed assets. Least worst options quickly become more worse options. The Rockets are not acting on the best decisions. For two years they squandered all of those waiting for the perfect trade.
     
  10. BaselineFade

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    Ok. I never mentioned giving up EG or PJ. I would part with picks. If FIRST TEAM all defense isn't elite then maybe I don't truly comprehend the word. His peers around the league universally agree.

    I've watched the guy since we had him. The eye test shows me that when healthy he moves his feet and contests shots as well as any perimeter defender in the league. Luc's defense was special, and Covington's defense is even better than that. He doesn't take defensive possessions off and he has a high defensive IQ.

    So yeah Covington is an elite defender.

    If you are willing to go to war with Bennett and Wood, then your not serious about competing for a ring this year. If you think Shump is equal to Covington then I'll be nice and just say that we will have to agree to disagree.
     
  11. roslolian

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    Camby was also all first team defense doesnt mean his defense was amazing. You are confusing regular season vs playoffs ok in the regular season he is a great defender yada yada yada but in the playoffs he will stink just like any role player out there. Roberson, Jae Crowder, Trevor Ariza, I've seen enough of these guys to know 90% of them become non factors in the playoffs. Remember when Ariza shot 33% in the regular season and missed all his shots in game 7 of the playoffs?

    Look the proof of the pudding is in the eating if RoCo's defense was even better than Luc Mbah Moute then why d hell is he only making 12M? Do you realize NYC is willing to pay Marcus Morris 15M? Why is the "all world" first team defense just making 12M then? Defense is half the game if you got a Kawhi esque defender out there who can also shoot the 3 then he should be making 30M a year at the very least. Philly is also a contender and they have Ben Simmons they def need a spacing 3 pt shooter why arent they scrambling to bring back RoCo? Why did they even trade him in the first place according to you he is the best defender in the world according to his peers they should've kept a death grip on him.
     
  12. Nook

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    Covington would be the starting PF and would get minutes at C and SF as well.

    If the Rockets can pull off a deal for Covington, they would be stupid not to.
     
  13. Corrosion

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    Two points on the NG guys being added.

    1) The receiving team has to have an open roster spot for each incoming player.

    2) Only the guaranteed money counts for salary matching - you'd have to guarantee those contracts.

    I really don't see a package of the NG's having much value at all …. they are NG for a reason - they aren't NBA players for the most part. Those teams would probably end up waiving them - dead money on the cap since it had to be guaranteed for salary matching purposes.

    Even if you add a #1 pick to that bunch of nothing , it doesn't appear very appealing to me.

    I think the odds are significantly greater that they expand the Westbrook trade and or S&T Shumpert.
     
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  14. smoothie

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    thanks for the info. in this case its more likely that one or two at most may be included in the westbrook trade in order to receive a higher priced player than we could receive with just the +25% alone. for example instead of shopping around with that $9.4M we could add harty and clark (the two most likely to be worthy or guaranteeing) and take back the $11.3M of covington.

    i agree that the most likely way to acquire another rotation player is by expanding the westbrook trade to +25% and maybe adding one or two NG guys as salary matching purposes.

    shumpert S&T would be the second most likely way if the incoming price exceeds the +25% and one or two NG guys, lets say for iguodala. however, i don't believe tilman is willing to add that much salary above the tax. if this is true, shumpert S&T option isn't needed so long as we can expand the westbrook trade.
     
  15. roslolian

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    Nah it depends on what the deal would entail Covington starting PF over Tucker? Lol!

    Look if all it takes is House and a pick or w/e ok fine but if EG and/or Tucker has to go in exchange then the trade would just make us weaker not stronger. You're gonna get him and be shocked when he doesnt perform in the playoffs as well as he dies in the regular season.
     
  16. D-rock

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    Are you really arguing that RoCo was not a first team all NBA defense?

    He is elite because their are only FIVE players voted to this team.

    Arguing this is ridiculous.
     
  17. BallaDoc

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    This by far is the stupidest post in all of humanity. Judging someone’s defensive capability by their salary? Lolol philly had him on a steal. Props to them for negotiating. Boy probably just wanted to get paid after being cut by the rox. By any defensive metric you look at he has been elite for the last 3 years. He tops the league in defensive metrics outside of Paul George or giannis. He is the elite catch and shooter. Not a elite. The elite 3 and d guy in the league if you consider klay a superstar. No one shoots at a better clip and makes more catch and shoot 3s a game others than curry Gordon klay and hield. He is the premier 3 and d player by any stat you can think of
     
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    I'd rather sign Jarrod Uthoff to a 2-year minimum deal over any remaining free agent including Thabo and all the rest of the retreads.

    Defense ✔
    Shooting✔
    Passing✔
    Handle✔
    Rebounding✔
    Length✔
     
  19. Deuce

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    Christian Wood, please.

     
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  20. roslolian

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    Are you dumb or what? You think players get their salary based on their looks? The market is not always correct but generally stars get paid and role players don't. If Covington is as good as you say he is then multiple teams would have snapped him up and his salary would be higher than what it is now. Are all the NBA teams blind and you are just the savant analyst? You should go work for the NBA then you can see something in 2 mins pulling **** out of your ass better than NBA executives who evaluate talent for a living. Oh yeah, Covington is the ELITE catch and shoot player who is the 3rd best defender in the league outside of PG and Giannis and the elite 3nD guy just like Klay Thompson. That's why Klay is making the max and Covington is making 12M oh wait.

    OK let's assume Philly got a steal then why did they trade Covington for Jimmy Butler? According to you he is THE 4rth best defender and the elite 3nD guy isn't that exactly what Philly needed? Why aren't they scrambling now to get him back? I mean here you are talking about a super duper star 4rth best defender and shooter in the league right? Surely what Philly needs now more than ever is an elite 3ND player, All team first defense by any metric known to man and the best shooter outside of Curry and klay Thompson.

    A. 3 Pt Percentage Playoffs
    Klay Thompson 2017 playoff 3 pt%: 44%
    Curry 2017 3 pt%: 38%
    Eric Gordon 2017 3 pt%: 33%
    Robert Covington 2017 playoff 3 pt%: 31%


    OMG clearly 31% is elite shooting from THE 3ND guy, not "a" 3nD guy :rolleyes: In case you are wondering I just use 2017 because that's the only time he made the playoffs. Isn't defense half the game? Why did the defensive all NBA 1st team only reach playoffs once in his career? He should be locking people up left and right he is a top 5 defensive and lockdown specialist in the entire world.

    B. Defensive Win Shares Playoffs
    Klay Thompson 2017 playoff DWS: 0.9
    Andrei Iguodala 2017 playoff DWS: 1.6
    Eric Gordon 2017 playoff DWS: 0.4
    Robert Covington 2017 playoff DWS: 0.4

    Apparently EG is an even better 3nD guy than Covington, his defense is just as good but his shooting is a lot better. Why didn't EG get voted to the All Defensive team in 2017? WTF!

    Look I can go on and on but the point is don't confuse regular season with playoffs. Klay Thompson is making the max because his performance as a 3nD doesn't drop in the playoffs. Covington got traded for Jimmy B because although he was a banger in the regular season in the playoffs he shot 30% (same as Westbrook) and defended as well as Eric Gordon. If Eric Gordon's performance dropped to 30% in the playoffs the Rockets would have gotten rid of him too you can't keep a guy who doesn't play well when it matters the most. There are theoretically 30 max contracts in the league just use common sense if a dude is the 4rth best defender and 4rth best shooter in the entire league somebody would give him a max deal not offer him 12M for 4 years WTF. Why would people offer Rozier 15M a year when they can get Covington for less? Why would GSW pay Klay 40M when they can trade for Covington who makes 12M? LMAO

    Again I wouldn't mind the guy if he got traded for Shumpert and picks but if you are expecting him to be the key in the playoffs then you are in for a rude awakening. He can be a key contributor but he won't have a bigger impact than EG otherwise he would be a max player not a role player.
     
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