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Sources: CP feels betrayed by Morey and Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Eddie Cecco, Jul 13, 2019.

  1. YOLO

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  2. MD_in_Training

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    ok. The only real news is YOLO. Got it.
     
  3. Deuce

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    Ultimately it comes down to what Nook posted.

    And you know what that also means? That means if things don't work out with MDA or Westbrook.....they are getting booted too. Westbrook friendship be damned.

    Harden wants to win a title and people are on notice. The alternative of this though is.......Harden could LEAVE to win a title somewhere else. Instead, he wants to STAY.....but the parts have to measure up.

     
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  4. YOLO

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    Old news

     
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  5. YOLO

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    Yup. Much more accurate when sauces or in your case pure assumptions come into play
     
  6. topfive

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    It wouldn't have taken a wholesale remake of the offense; just a bit of tweaking would have been enough for CP3 and still kept Harden happy.

    To recap: MDA didn't adjust things when he needed to, which left an already mopey CP3 even more disgruntled. While that's mostly on MDA, Paul could have handled it more maturely if he was actually mature. The hard thing about getting any two superstars on the same page is that they're superstars, and as such are used to getting things exactly as they want.

    MDA saw how improved we were in the Harden Supernova offense and shortsightedly opted to ride that style into the playoffs. In the back of his mind, he might have been wondering if CP3 could stay injury-free. A valid concern, but we could have easily reverted to a 90%Harden offense if Paul went down.

    I can't help but wonder if this hiccup is what made Tilman not want to lock up MDA for another few years. He probably assumes if we're looking pretty by the ASG break, he can still get him to sign an extension. Otherwise, he can replace him mid-season or next summer without wasting $.

    Here's my big question: Even after CP3 came back and we were again one of the elite teams, why did he decide THAT was the time to work more motion into the offense? The double-ISO approach almost got us a title the previous year. Why dick around with that formula when we could execute it so perfectly?

    CP3 was the one person in all this whose actions are the least defensible. He's not totally at fault, but had he not been so intent on changing things up just to get his way, we might have made it to the finals this year. Pretty hard to think this trade was a bad idea, all things considered.
     
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  7. Deuce

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    As soon as the team saw CP could not be effective in ISO, that is when they needed to make the tweaks. This is an MDA failure.

    Sure, Harden is brilliant in ISO. But there is a ceiling to that. They ignored that. Why not take advantage of BOTH Harden and CP?

    To mean, it is just MDA being lazy and falling back on Harden's ISO brilliance and not looking at the bigger picture with all of the key players and parts on the team.

    Look, I am an MDA fan and he unlocked Harden's game. But it is like *too much of a good thing.* There is a tipping point where eating too much chocolate cake and you are feeling blah.


     
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    Ok, what happened to this being 100% on Harden then?

    And there was a whole thread devoted to Tilman forcing this trade. Everyone there was wrong too, and this was ALL on Harden?

    Further, players don't force GMs to do....anything. Particularly not any strong GM. Your statement is basically Morey is weak, and let's the players run the team. Is that what you meant to say? If so, do you have ANY corroborating evidence? I haven't even heard any way out their sauces that even hinted at that...so what insider evidence do you have?
     
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    That's not a good look for us.
     
  10. MD_in_Training

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    You are the one with only assumptions.
     
  11. HP3

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    Dude, all organizations cater to their star players, not to mention the owner was pushing for it. It was both Tilman and Harden pushing Daryl from both sides.....though all this really makes Daryl look like a liar. Did you not see the Cyberx thread?
     
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    This notion of paul george being available to us is dumb.

    As the story goes kwahi went to george after asking durant if he wanted to come with to clips.
    Once george said yes and okc confirmed they were open to talking to clips that was that.
    Its possible toronto was bidding and rockets but it was the clips controlling the narrative as they were the destination.

    I do think it didnt hurt that presti or anyone else was adverse to the lakers getting any better. Almost a collusion of convenience lol.
    But at end it was more that george was wanting to go to clips not rockets. Rockets were never a conversation point. Kwahi didnt just win the title then ask george if be somehow wanted to go to rockets.

    Morey swooped in to get that low hanging fruit. Its what makes morey morey..

    To me the miracle is more we didnt lose capela or gordon
     
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    It's almost as if Harden is a GARM poster.
     
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    He got the big contract that he wanted at the cost of competing for a championship. I know he left money on the table coming to the Rockets but the Clippers weren’t going to give him the contract that he wanted. The next three seasons in Houston were not going to deliver a championship with CP3 on the roster. It sucks that he is stuck in OKC right now but I don’t think that’s going to be the long term situation for him.

    I can’t feel sorry for CP3.
     
  15. bulkatron

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    Rumor is he also had beef with D’Antoni, calling him a regular season coach.
     
  16. YOLO

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    Cp3 vids say different.

    You on the other hand just pluck a thought based on something to make yourself feel better. Which means nothing
     
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    Both of those boys are from LA. Clippers were a .500 team that had lost Chris Paul, were out of the playoffs, and were facing the repeater tax if they didn't move Blake. Those are understandable circumstances. And 2 LA boys going home is the exception.
     
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    Funny. We had deals lined up for both guys. Probably still do. That would have brought back multiple picks.
     
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    Those deals were in prep for Jimmy Butler SnT.

    Not necessary to deal either player for Westbrook.

    Rockets were never in play for PG.
     
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    Yup, this is on everyone and not a good look for all involved. It shows that Harden is just looking for easy ways out when thing gets tough. It shows MDA cannot adjust, the most concerning. CP3 asked for something which is fair and his attitude has been an issue.

    Cannot really blame him though as Harden and MDA tried to basically force him to play iso and I wouldn’t be surprised if Harfen tried to show him up. Like look, you need me and can’t do ****.
     

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