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A Speculative Theory

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by finsraider, Jul 13, 2019.

  1. finsraider

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    Earlier this year, @cyberx mentioned that the Rockets had added Kevin Love to our “list”. This seemed strange to me, as the amount of talent we would have to send out to make a trade work (Capela and/or Gordon) would seem to leave the team in a worse position.

    Quick sidetrack: you can believe that the Westbrook thing came out of nowhere. You can also believe that the Paul George trade came out of nowhere...leading to the availability of Westbrook. Or you can believe that these contingencies were discussed between players and front offices well ahead of time.

    Back to the theory: we know a few things about Love. First, that he’s stuck on a tanking Cleveland team. Second, that he wanted to be traded to OKC last year. And finally, that he played with Westbrook in college and is still friends with him.

    Now, if CP3 is on this team, it’s extremely difficult to make a trade for Love work. But with CP3 traded and the Rockets ability to use his salary to take back more salary (as others have pointed out), now we can get both Westbrook and Love using CP3s salary and a SnT Shumpert.

    What I’m suggesting is that maybe the trade never was CP3 for Westbrook...it was CP3 for Westbrook AND Love.

    I guess we will see.
     
  2. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    At worst: Robert Covington
    At best: Aaron Gordon
     
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    Shame
     
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    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    Either way it’s gonna be championship champagne showers next June baby
     
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    Now now, don't count your hatch before they chicken
     
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  7. treyk3

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    Best Case: OPJ
    Only case: OPJ
     
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    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    Thanks for the tip Yoda
     
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  9. ParaSolid

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    Man, Kevin Love in our starting 5 will make us really terrible on defense. I’m more for a Covington type deal.
     
  10. peleincubus

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    I’ll be happy with any clear upgrade to the team that has mentioned in this thread.

    I would be giddy for months if the rockets ended up with the best record in the league. Winning the championship by beating the mavs from the 8th seed, Utah in the 2nd round, and the lakers or warriors in the WCF.

    Give me mana, give me life!!
     
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    Up shut








    :D
     
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    Wth is this obsession with Kevin Love? We need help on the wings. We need long, athletic wing players.
     
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    Do Not Want

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    You misspelled dumbass ;)
     
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    love_stomps_scolas_face.mov
     
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    60 - 59 - 22

    Games played the last 3 years.

    No … Just no to paying a guy $29m to sit on the bench.

    That contract is in the ballpark of CP3 and John Wall as the worst contracts in the league.
     
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    https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g...r-things-seen-and-heard-at-summer-league.html

    Are the Cavs really going to keep Love? Shouldn't they explore deals that will accelerate their rebuild?

    The answer still hasn’t changed. While it’s not wise to use the never term in this ever-changing league, the Cavs don’t want to trade Love. No, there aren’t any untouchables on this roster. Prized rookie Darius Garland would be the closest to that. If the Cavs are blown away by a Love offer and receive the package that meets their demands then, of course, they would consider it. It would be foolish not to. According to sources, the Cavs would want some combination of young players and draft picks. Not one or the other. Both.

    There’s something else to consider: Love is coming off a bad year, which has raised questions about his value. Not in Cleveland. Elsewhere around the league.

    Yes, he’s a five-time All-Star. He’s likely going to be playing for Team USA in September. He’s the Cavs’ best -- and most important -- player. But he turns 31 in September, played just 22 games last season following toe surgery and is entering the first season of a four-year contract extension signed last summer. Oh, and the Cavs are unlikely to be competitive for a few years.

    Theoretically, those factors would lead the Cavs to move on, right?

    The Cavs don’t believe his contract is a burden. They will quickly point to some of the other nasty ones around the league, including a few handed out this summer. Beilein has excitedly discussed the potential of coaching Love, even spending plenty of time in the film room watching tape from February through the end of the season -- coinciding with Love's return. He believes Love will take pressure off the young players and allow them to develop at a calmer pace.

    I continue to sense that the most likely outcome is starting the season with Love, allowing him to play well in Beilein’s friendly system while setting the culture, helping the three rookies transition to the NBA -- on and off the court -- and boost his value. Then, the Cavs could potentially revisit a trade when another team moves into go-for-it mode around the deadline.

    Think about last year’s Tobias Harris deal for Philadelphia. The Sixers saw an opportunity, believing they could capitalize on a vulnerable Eastern Conference. So they sent the Clippers four picks (two first-rounders and two second-rounders) as well as young sharpshooter Landry Shamet.

    If that kind of package presents itself, then maybe Cleveland’s current stance changes. But the Cavs still see plenty of value to him being on this roster. Plus, Love hasn't asked out.

    Miami is said to be looking for another high-level player to put alongside newly-acquired Jimmy Butler. Love would fit there. The Heat are restricted in their ability to send out future picks. Still, they have a few intriguing young pieces (Tyler Herro, Meyers Leonard, Bam Adebayo and Justise Winslow) and the salary filler (James Johnson, Goran Dragic, Dion Waiters) to get up to Love’s number ($28.9 million).
     
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  20. D-rock

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    Love's contract is unmovable right now, Cavs would have to give up picks/players something to trade him at this time.

    That's why holding on to him to lift value is so important to Cleveland rebuild, need young pieces back as much as picks.

    Not surprised if Cavs tank while fluffing up KLove stats.
     

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