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Bad ownership can cripple a franchise

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TheRealist137, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

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    There IS an exclusive club available, but you haven't taken the step necessary to gain access.
     
  2. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

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    OP is right that a bad owner can destroy a franchise.

    I'm not convinced that TIlman is a bad owner. There are signs and portents that concern me, but the context is important. It's two offseasons of a team that was asset poor in win-now mode desperately trying to find a piece to win a title.
     
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    Give him time. What do you think Astros fans opinions were of Crane in year two?
     
  4. LosPollosHermanos

    LosPollosHermanos Houston only fan
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    It sounds like you don’t know a lot about championship windows.

    Chenj to harden: “why can’t your prime be longer!!”

    Celebrate your cheapman fandom by eating at Landry’s everyday
     
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  5. juanm34

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    The Tilmans gamble will pay off...,,
     
  6. J.R.

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    Crane was definitely getting ripped on here (probably myself included)
    He's never gonna spend! He's never gonna do this! Not gonna do that!
    But the Astros were tearing it down & rebuilding.
    Rockets are supposedly in win-now mode. "Opportunity is not a lengthy visitor."
    but then Crane changed the uniforms, brought back the H star and blue/orange, started building it back up, started winning, won a World Series and now he's the best/most loved owner in town! ;)

    Outside of Chris Paul(prearranged deal), Clint Capela & the recent Danuel House deal, everything has been minimum deals & Tilman has cut costs since day one. (An accident, a fluke LOL)

    Remember, Rockets are in win now mode! Championship mode! Whatever it takes mode! Win at all costs mode! Favorites in the West mode! Going to win multiple championships with Harden mode!

    You lowball your coach & offer an incentive-based contract (for a coach you & Morey say you "love" & "we want him here, will be here for years")
    Anderson for Knight, Knight for expiring Shumpert
    Don't use the MLE
    Let Mbah a Moute walk
    Let Ariza walk (of course the same people who say $15M was too expensive say bring on Iguodala & his $17M AND trade a first. "Who cares what he's making?! It's just a year!")
    Play hard ball with House, let him linger in the D-League for 2 months, only to later give him a deal you could have given him at the time.
    "Fireworks!" "Pick of the free agents." "Chasing this one star(Butler) and if not, at worst, add a top tier MLE player!" --> Hasn't signed an outside free agent.

    SIGNED
    2017-18
    Oct. 13 Signed Danuel House
    Oct. 24 Signed Isaiah Canaan
    Oct. 24 Signed Briante Weber (2-way)
    Dec. 28 Signed Gerald Green
    Jan. 6 Signed Demetrius Jackson (10-day)
    Feb. 9 Signed Bobby Brown (rest-of-season)
    Feb. 12 Signed Brandan Wright
    Feb. 14 Signed Joe Johnson (rest-of-season)
    Mar. 24 Signed Le'Bryan Nash
    Mar. 30 Signed Tim Quarterman
    Apr. 11 Signed Aaron Jackson
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    2018-19
    Jul. 6 Signed Michael Carter-Williams(MIN)
    Jul. 7 Re-signed Chris Paul (4 years, $160M)
    Jul. 9 Re-signed Gerald Green(MIN)
    Jul. 13 Signed James Ennis(MIN)
    Jul. 25 Signed Isaiah Hartenstein(MIN)
    Jul. 27 Re-signed Clint Capela(5 years, $90M)
    Aug. 10 Signed Rob Gray
    Aug. 13 Signed Carmelo Anthony(MIN)
    Oct. 12 Signed Tim Bond
    Oct. 15 Signed Gary Clark(2-way)
    Oct. 15 Signed Vince Edwards(2-way)
    Nov. 26 Signed Danuel House
    Dec. 6 Signed Danuel House(2-way)
    Dec. 6. Converted Gary Clark to regular contract
    Dec. 24 Signed Austin Rivers(MIN)
    Jan. 16 Signed James Nunnally(10-day)
    Jan. 21 Signed Kenneth Faried(MIN)
    Feb. 22 Signed Chris Chiozza(10-day)
    Feb. 22 Signed Terrence Jones(10-day)
    Mar. 4 Signed Terrence Jones(10-day)
    Mar. 13 Converted Danuel House to regular contract
    Mar. 23 Signed Chris Chiozza(rest-of-season)
    Mar. 26 Claimed Trevon Duval off waivers
    Apr. 7 Signed Michael Frazier(rest-of-season)
    Jun. 12 Claimed Deyonta Davis off waivers
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    2019-20
    Re-signed Austin Rivers(MIN)
    Re-signed Gerald Green(MIN)
    Re-signed Danuel House(3 years, $11.1M/$3.5M)

    WAIVED
    2017-18
    Oct. 13 Waived George de Paula
    Oct. 13 Waived Isaiah Taylor
    Oct. 13 Waived Tim Quarterman
    Oct. 13 Waived Chris Johnson
    Oct. 14 Waived Danuel HOuse
    Oct. 14 Waived Cameron Oliver
    Oct. 28 Waived Isaiah Canaan
    Jan. 5 Waived Bobby Brown
    Jan. 6 Waived Demetrius Jackson
    Feb. 12 Waived Bobby Brown
    Feb. 14 Waived Troy Williams
    Mar. 24 Waived Brandan Wright
    Apr. 11 Waived Tim Quarterman
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    2018-19
    Jul. 5 Waived Aaron Jackson
    Aug. 17 Waived R.J. Hunter
    Oct. 8 Waived Rob Gray
    Oct. 13 Waived Bruno Caboclo
    Oct. 13 Waived Angel Rodriguez
    Oct. 13 Waived Brandon Sampson
    Oct. 13 Waived Tim Bond
    Dec. 4 Waived Danuel House
    Dec. 17 Waived Zhou Qi
    Jan. 21 Waived James Nunnally

    DRAFT
    2018
    2-46 De'Anthony Melton
    2-52 Vince Edwards (Bought from Utah)

    TRADE
    2018-19
    Aug. 2 Traded Chinanu Onuaku, cash($1.54M) & a 2020 2nd round pick to Dallas for Maarty Leunen
    Aug. 31 Traded Ryan Anderson & De'Anthony Melton to Phoenix for Marquese Chriss & Brandon Knight
    Jan. 7 Traded Michael Carter-Williams & cash to Chicago for a 2020 2nd round pick
    Jan. 22 Traded Carmelo Anthony, Jon Diebler & cash($1.56M) to Chicago for Tadija Dragicevic
    Feb. 7 Traded a 2020 2nd round draft pick to Sacramento for Iman Shumpert; Traded Marquese Chriss, Brandon Knight, a 2019 1st round pick & a 2022 2nd round pick to Cleveland for Wade Baldwin, Nik Stauskas & a 2021 2nd round pick; Cleveland traded Alec Burks to Sacramento
    Feb. 7 Traded James Ennis to Philadelphia for rights to swap 2021 2nd round picks
    Feb. 7 Traded Wade Baldwin, Maarty Leunen, Nik Stauskas & a 2021 2nd round pick to Indiana for cash
     
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    Last edited: Jul 9, 2019
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  7. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    That does not address how we are on a downtrend.

    Did we trade Harden?
     
  9. ball king23

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    the window is slowly closing if we do not get results this season or next it will be slammed shut
     
  10. peleincubus

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    Look up what happens to elite athletes in their 30's and when another year passes. Along with no new players. Unless you determine that youth with Hardenstein and House are going to play minutes in the playoffs to get you a championship.
     
  11. maw7079

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    The thread police are the most useless sub-sect of people on this board. Was it worth your time to post this?
     
  12. Imanimal

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    Window is not slowly closing....it has already closed as many other West teams have much better talent now. Minus a shocking deal, other than signing Shumpert, we are no longer a contender for the title.
     
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  13. biff17

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    So you have nothing but conjecture.

    Ok.
     
  14. kubli9

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    Of course they have the right, but it doesn't make their whining any less inane or inconsequential. I'd tell Knicks fans to stop following the team if they can't stomach the owner and I'll say the same thing to you or any other Rockets fan. DEAL WITH IT OR GTFO.
     
  15. ball king23

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    you are right
     
  16. LosPollosHermanos

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    Deal with or gtfo? Yea keep your feelings to yourself nobody cares.

    Almost all of us were fans before Fertitta bought the team and will still be after he leaves. You’re nobody to be mouthing off
    To someone to follow a new team.
     
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    LOL "You will root for mediocrity & you will like it!! I'm a true fan because I support every awful decision from the ownership & management & never question their motives,non-believers like you are not real fans!"
     
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  18. LosPollosHermanos

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    “Knicks fans should be content”

    That dude is a ****ing joke. Even Clutch called the FO our, maybe @kubli9 should call him out too then
     
  19. peleincubus

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    Here is a study that you won't read for you.


    https://www.nature.com/articles/253264a0


    Go ahead and let me know if you can find some studies where it shows PJ Tucker and Chris Paul are supposed get faster, more agile, and less injury prone now that they will be a year older. And that Harden doesn't have to score the 2nd most points per game in the last 50 years to get them in the playoffs and run out of steam during them. How is that conjecture for you ya flippant kid?
     
  20. peleincubus

    peleincubus Member

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    Never mind. You can't read that. I have memberships to some of these sites from graduate school.
     

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