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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. biff17

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    i want the same thing but the presidency is not like a CEO they have to be able to sway people to go along with their vision both in the population and in Congress.
     
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    How can we afford these things when defensive contractors charge the DOD 1500 dollars for clutch disks that cost 32 dollars to manufacture?

    Priorities right. Gotta line the pockets of our brave defense contractors.
     
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    Well, no that doesn't follow. You don't have to have a 100% open border policy to not hold migrants. You can give them a court date and maybe even an ankle bracelet and send them on their way. Detention is something the government chooses to do, and moreso with the Trump Admin.

    On your larger point, I mostly agree. If migrants are going to be detained regardless, with or without beds, there is an argument that it would be better to sell the beds to the camps so they'll have them. At the same time, Trump's detention policy is enabled by the concession of bed sales and everything else to make the detention system work. A general boycott would force -- through the suffering of migrants -- the whole system to collapse and a different solution found so much the sooner. The Trump Admin, like it does with everything else, counts on the goodwill of other people to get the beds provided so they can do whatever bad stuff they want and have others bear the costs. So maybe in a small sense, those who deny the beds to avoid complicity are right in a small sense, wrong in a larger sense that they thereby inflict suffering, but right again in a different larger sense of resisting authoritarianism. It's not my preferred solution. My preferred solution is to throw the bums out. But, that's taking a while.
     
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    President Trump is having great success in fundraising off of the backdrop of the primary contest for the Democrats.

    Trump raises eye-popping $36 million in the week buildup to first 2020 Democratic debates

    President Donald Trump raised a mammoth $36 million since officially announcing his 2020 relection campaign reelection last week.

    Trump’s seven-day haul is double the entire first-quarter fundraising total for Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont , whose $18 million led the field of two dozen Democratic presidential hopefuls.

    At a donor event on Tuesday at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, the president raised $6 million with 225 people in attendance in support of his joint fundraising committee, according to Republican officials with direct knowledge of the matter.​
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    Such a man of the people. Truly salt of the earth.
     
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    that's a fair point, but you're talking a complete and radical overhaul of the system--hard to change boats mid-ocean. (that's a Neurath's boat image). But you're right, there's nothing magical about detention.

    which reminds me of Ursula LeGuin's story "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas"

     
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    So you are going to try to convince a mechanical engineering grad student and someone who's fought overseas that the DOD needs to spend 1500 dollars on a clutch disc that cost 32 dollars to manufacture in bulk of 149 units?

    You do understand I included the cost to manufacture the clutch disc by TransDig, the supplier?
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    I defer to your superior knowledge
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Wouldn't want to take away from your riveting memes now would we?
     
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    Why is this in a thread about Democratic candidates?
     
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    Because the Democrat candidates and their antics are what are inspiring the eye-popping political contributions to Trump and the Republicans.
     
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    So you are just trolling.

    This will be the election that political contributions will have the least effect.

    But at least his team will be well paid.
     
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    These "debates" are very early in the process and are not going to be remembered six months from now, when the action is really heating up and the actually voting in primaries and caucuses are imminent. Nobody is likely to win or lose the nomination solely as a result of their performance in one of these early debates.

    So what can these candidates realistically hope to achieve? For the frontrunners, not much. In fact, Joe Biden might be wishing he could just blow this event off tonight with a view towards circling back to the contest after Labor day. (Which is what Independent candidate Howard Schultz has apparently decided to do.)

    But for the candidates polling below 5%, these debates offer the possibility of the breath of life. So, many in the media are promoting Elizabeth Warren as the winner. If you think she was, then she was.

    But there were three other candidates who really did something positive for themselves and who appear to have succeeded in achieving what they plausibly hoped to achieve from this first night's debate. Those are Julian Castro, John Delaney and Tulsi Gabbard.
    1. Julian Castro looks to me to have a level of charisma that distinguishes himself from most of the other candidates. He is also smart and handles himself pretty well. Nobody was really talking much about Castro before this debate. They will be talking more about him going forward.
    2. John Delaney came out and established himself as a champion of positions that were sharply at odds with the far left "Political correctness" agenda that most of the rest of the field has eagerly embraced. Of course he can expect to be either ignored or attacked by the Democrat left forces of "Political correctness," especially in the media. But there is a huge number of prospective Democrat voters who are looking for a candidate like this, although they surely know better than to be caught saying so publicly. Anyway, this guy has more of a chance now than some on the "Politically correct" left are likely to think.
    3. Tulsi Gabbard is a unique candidate with a unique profile, who was apparently the most searched for candidate online during the debate. She is ex-military. She is good looking and quite telegenic. She has some very interesting foreign policy positions. Also, she has some "spunk," which a lot of these other candidates do not appear to me to have. She is not going to win the nomination this time, but I suspect that there are a LOT of people among the Democrat left who want to see her do well and to last as long as she can. She is very young (38) and she could well become a serious player over the next 10-20 years.

    Anyway, these three candidates really helped themselves last night and it appears to me that they have caught potential voter's attention in a positive way. And that is the real measure of success for these lesser know candidates in these early debates.
     
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    Okay...
     
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    The fact trump is able to fund raise so much shouldn't be a surprise. He is the republican candidate, so he will have an advantage with rich people and wealthy PACs (the Democratic candidates have rejected corporate PACs). He also has the advantage of being the incumbent,where as the Democratic primary candidates have to split dollars amongst the large number of candidates. Add to that trump has been campaigning for re-election since 2016 (Obama started his re-election campaign until after two years), so he has had a two year head start on the Democratic candidates.
     

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