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Why do lunch pail Evangelical Christians have lower moral standards for the Presidency?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jun 16, 2019.

  1. biff17

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    i wish Lou was here to decipher this.
     
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    Didn't take long...

     
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    Good grief! As if there wasn't enough going on in the GARM!
     
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    If you're horny lets do it, ride it, my pony
    My saddle's waiting, come and jump on it
    If you're horny lets do it, ride it, my pony
    My saddle's waiting, come and jump on it
    (what? I watched Magic mike xxl with the wife. 4/10, no brooke, no matthew no kid in it. Should have gone with her choice of film)
    anyways:


     
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    The loudest haters are usually the guilty ones of that action... just like antifa (actually fascists), male feminists(pervert betas who don't respect wamen), gay haters (repressed homosexuals), born agains (insert sins here), people who hate religion (extreme dogmatic athiestic zealots), and people who pull the race card at every turn (closet racists).
     
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    And unpatriotic people that do treasonous things...

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    That would be the far left. How can you profess to love something, but you want to fundamentally change it on every level. The left hates america to extreme levels.
     
  9. NewRoxFan

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    Sorry for the long post...



    http://mydaughtersarmy.org/open-letter-to-my-trump-supporting-family/
    Open Letter: To my Trump-supporting family.
    To my Trump-supporting family,

    On the morning of November 9, 2016, the America I knew and loved died. Or rather, I woke that day to discover that it never really existed in the first place.

    Let me explain.

    I grew up in the Deep South. I was a flag-waving, gun-shooting, red-blooded American boy. I said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in school, got tingles when I heard the national anthem, and fervently accepted that no other country on the planet could ever come close to the grandeur, freedom, and inspiration that the United States of America offered. We were that City Upon the Hill that was promised to the world – a shining beacon of participatory democracy that everyone else desperately wanted to emulate but could never achieve. We were tough on our allies, but only because we needed to push them to excel and improve. Of course, they’d never quite catch up to us economically, politically, or militarily, but hey, that’s the price of not being the USA. The chants of “USA! USA! USA” weren’t taunts, but merely celebrations of our preeminence. And anyone’s detractions were just signs of their jealousy. Because everybody wanted to be American, right?

    I was sold the American dream just like the hundreds of millions of my compatriots. Work hard, pay your dues, and you’ll succeed. No child left behind. All in this together. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. I joined the Navy and proudly served my country because that’s just what a Southern boy did. There simply was no higher honor than being part of the vanguard protecting democracy from those who would do us harm.

    Even after traveling the world with the Navy and learning that, actually, America didn’t hold a monopoly on freedom, I still wasn’t swayed from my categorical resolution that no country was better. No people could be better. America resulted from the failures and lessons learned from every other country’s trials and errors. Mostly errors. But we corrected them all. Where other countries had endured the restrictions of authoritarianism or the unfettered chaos of direct democracy, America perfected the balance with our Constitution and its representative democracy. Sure, we had our own fits-and-starts, which our schools taught – seizure of land and the treatment of Native Americans, the slave trade and oppression of black people, relegation of women to the home – but the America in which I grew up in the 1980s and 1990s had moved past those missteps. Right? Wasn’t America now that happy melting pot teeming with opportunity for all, if only you tried hard enough?

    Of course not. But that was how I viewed it. And I’m sure that’s how you still think of America. What we did to the Native Americans? They just need to accept that we civilized them and they should be thankful. Slavery, Jim Crow, systemic racism? Nah, African Americans need to get over slavery, stop being ghetto thugs, and start accepting responsibility for their own communities. And women certainly have come a long way – just don’t get too uppity or think you’re entitled to too much of a political view, otherwise you risk losing your innate genteelness. (If reading this part makes you feel uncomfortable – and it probably does – stop for a second and think about why. Your discomfort is what’s left of your conscience.)

    After I left the Navy and joined the real world, I saw more and more of what this country truly was. The mistreatment of people of color, the judgment and chastisement of the LGBT community, and the everyday sexism. Unlike the America taught in schools, this place had a lot of scars, scratches, and quite a few gaping wounds. But still I thought none of them were terminal. Surely Bill Clinton (for all his flaws) had it right when he said there was nothing wrong with America that couldn’t be cured by what was right in America. Surely.

    Up until November 8, 2016, I genuinely believed that, despite its myriad shortcomings, America was still the country that stood up to bullies. It valued intellect and scientific discovery. Americans may have disagreed on specific policies, but still had faith that public servants genuinely had the country’s best interests at heart. Immigration built this country. And we should always, always protect the innocent and welcome those fleeing poverty, war, or famine with open arms.

    But America didn’t elect a leader who represents any of those principles. America didn’t elect a leader with any principles. And you did that. You can say you held your nose and voted for the “lesser of two evils,” or that you only voted for Trump because you knew he’d further the policies with which you agreed, even if you found him personally detestable. But when you and all of the other Trump voters pulled that lever, you weren’t just selecting your preferred presidential candidate. You were selecting what America was. And it is nothing like the America I grew up believing in. To say that your choice and the result it brought about triggered an existential crisis would be an understatement. My whole life, I’d been an unquestioning, patriotic servant of America because of what I’d believed it stood for. But in a single night, everything it stood for was revealed as a fraud. Everything I stood for was a fraud.

    So now, two and half years into the alternative reality, I’ve come to grips that this isn’t some insane nightmare. This is reality. And seeing how Trump supporters (yourselves included) have behaved since then, I really was a fool for ever believing America stood for anything else.

    I won’t bore you with my journey to “wokeness” or why the things you tolerate literally sicken me. Sexual predator? “They’re not hot enough to sexually assault.” Racist bully? “Fake news.” Uncompassionate bigot? “They should stay in their own damn countries.” Even if I had the capacity and patience to expound on every deviation from the America I thought existed, you wouldn’t care. Why? Because you’ve stopped listening. The rise of Fox News means you’ve stopped reading the papers. And even if you did, you wouldn’t be intrigued or inquisitive about what they say because you’ve bought into the idea that the press is the enemy of the people (except for Fox News and the National Review, which get passes because, well, why?).

    You’ve stopped paying attention to anyone who doesn’t agree with your crystallized view of the world. You’re the mosquito of the Reagan era, completely unaware the sap has long hardened around you into amber. And frankly, it’s not even particularly pretty amber. It’s dull, opaque, muffled. You can’t see or hear through it and you don’t want to.

    But to be honest with you, I’ve lost all interest in trying to break you free. At first, I really wanted to. I wanted you to understand how the promise of America was broken. I wanted you to see so we could find some way to fix it. But every time I tried, you trotted out some line you heard Trump spew (none of which make any sense whatsoever, by the way) or that some Fox News commentator has conned you into thinking reflects reality. So I’m done.

    The America I believed in doesn’t exist. Instead, it’s a different country now, irretrievably. I get a bit melancholy about it sometimes, because promise and hope and opportunity are like political endorphins, and I miss them. And I miss you. I miss having conversations about our lives as though you hadn’t abandoned everything we ever believed in. I miss seeing your smiling faces without having to hold back a political tirade. I miss spending time with you without constantly wondering how you sleep at night knowing what this country is doing to the defenseless.

    Surely by now you’ve seen the AP’s recent photo of an El Salvadoran man and his two and a half year-old daughter who drowned as they fled the violence in their home country, hoping to seek asylum in America. They drowned because Trump won’t let them claim asylum at the border entry points. He’s denying them the safety and promise that America used to stand for. Many observers who haven’t yet fully recognized their prior delusions are saying, “This isn’t what we stand for.” But it is. It’s exactly what America stands for.

    And that is why I’m done with you and your ilk. We’re still family; you raised me; we share the same blood. But we come from and live in two different countries.

    Sincerely,

    Matthew
     
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    This is full of misrepresentation and partisan emotional-pull nonesense. You would post this...
     
  11. NewRoxFan

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    I think the stress of the pool boy scandal is getting to falwell. He is losing it...

     
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    Tucker Carlson justified Kim Jong Un's murderous ways, saying that in order to run a country you have to kill people, implying tht Kim is on equal moral footing with all other world leaders who are apparently out there busy chopping heads while nobody's looking.

    Republican/Conservative Americans defending Stalinist cult leaders... if it had been written in a movie 20 years ago, it would have been rejected as too fanciful.

    I guess climate change means thst crazy season is going to start earlier and earlier in the political cycle. I can't wait to see how nuts it's going to get this time around when we are a week or two away from an actual election.

    Fasten your seatbelts and put your trays in the upright and locked position. This ride is about to get a little bumpy for something like the next two years.
     
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    That's a load of sh*t, dude. Your support of trump is damaging America. The post I quoted is an example of your extremism and it isn't pretty.
     
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    You are so defensive... are you far left? I took you for a typical leftist but not some extremist.... but hey calm down. Also I don't support Trump. I am an actual liberal, if you understand what that really means, who doesn't see a need to rip apart the foundations of our nation state. The far left definitely do call for that, which means they don't actually love the country. They love their utopian vision more. Usually a communist one.
     
  15. CometsWin

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    Did we get an answer for this yet or are you guys still praying for one? @cml750
     
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    I don't understand the point of that "open letter." I mean, sure, it feels good to a basic moderate or left-leaning sensibility, but if he's done with his family, why would he write a long letter to them saying things he knows they can't possibly take in? It's just weird.
     
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    He only sounds bad after a few methadone shots.

    I guess we need someone to bring us back to earth
     
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    Well, it's not my job to judge. But if I look who in their personal life and as a leader governed more in accordance with Christ's message Obama beats Trump all the way.

    But so do a lot inmates in correctional facilities.
     
  20. Invisible Fan

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    Well My Christ is White. Not some olive skinned person from the Middle East.
     
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