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Would you trade our personnel minus Harden for Raptors personnel minus Kawhi and Lin?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Jun 8, 2019.

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Would you trade ours for theirs?

  1. Yes

    99 vote(s)
    83.9%

  2. No

    19 vote(s)
    16.1%
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  1. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    You didn't show me any proof anyone would want the raptors roster a couple weeks ago.

    And what Nowitzki did wasn't miraculous. It's what stars do. If he's not that good then he's the Karl Malone of guards, a star who didn't have quite enoug
     
    #101 Mr. Clutch, Jun 10, 2019
  2. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    Your position is determined by the player you guard. Harden defended 3's ans 4's.

    With Gordon in the line up he is clearly not guarding bigger wings.

    On offense there is no difference between the 2 and 3.
     
    #102 Mathloom, Jun 10, 2019
  3. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    Dirk putting together a massive performance and ending up beating prime Lebron James, prime Dwayne Wade and prime Chris Bosh is not miraculous.

    People have to prove that re-stated that the Raptors are good enough to win it exactly 2 weeks ago.

    You can't win a title with Karl Malone and John Stockton if you put a better team around them.

    Thanks for the chat dude.
     
    #103 Mathloom, Jun 10, 2019
  4. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    Dirk did what a championship superstar is supposed to do. Malone and harden did not.
     
    #104 Mr. Clutch, Jun 10, 2019
  5. rocks123

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    well im kinda curious how morey will build around him. kawhi has had great power forward as team mates. and that seems to be moreys struggle finding a very solid PF.
     
    #105 rocks123, Jun 10, 2019
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    Don’t agree that all those things are a problem. Turnover to usage is fine. Pace... compare Kawhi and Harden as well as Houston and Toronto vs GS. Almost identical. More consistent defense has been here for a while. Better shape? Or maybe he can take 20 games off per year, or have healthy all star teammates who can help carry the load all season? Might help.

    lol. But come on man don’t play the “I’m the real fan” thing here. You don’t think he can do any of that.
     
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  7. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    He did it in 2013-15. You hofs just don't ask much of him.

    Also the tov% is misleading because of how slow and little the rockets pass. For him to still have so many turnovers is crazy.

    Raptors were 15 in pace and rockets tied for 23
     
    #107 Mr. Clutch, Jun 10, 2019
  8. jordnnnn

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    Harden’s pace vs GS ~98
    Kawhi’s pace vs GS ~ 98
    Houston’s pace vs GS ~ 98
    Toronto’s pace vs GS ~ 98

    He’s had 1 despicable turnover year 2016/2017. That’s it. Other years have been just fine.

    His turnover % is misleading in the opposite way you think. He has the ball the most, drives to the basket the most, creates the most points. The guys with less turnovers have the ball less, drive less, create for other less.
     
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  9. Mr. Clutch

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    You can't take the sample size of one series. Harden slows the ball down way more than kawhi.

    Kobe and Jordan when they were scoring 35 ppg had much fewer turnovers.

    It wasn't just 2015/16. It was also 17 and that spurs playoff game. 18 and 19 were better but he has continued to play his slow style that doesn't work in the postseason.

    2015 was by far his best playoff run for a reason .
     
    #109 Mr. Clutch, Jun 10, 2019
  10. Reeko

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    the only thing that’s been stopping me from being firmly in the “Morey is overrated” camp is that we would’ve won a title last year if not for 1 hamstring injury...that’s it, because over the years there have been a lot of dud moves

    now we’re 1 of the oldest, shortest, and least athletic teams in the league...we have 1 of the worst contracts in the league in CP0, and we have no cap space and lack assets

    at this point, whenever I see someone post some unrealistic trade proposal that they think could actually happen due to “Morey magic” or people insinuating that Morey is a god I just roll my eyes...”Morey is playing chess, while these other GM’s play checkers”...sure man, sure
     
    #110 Reeko, Jun 10, 2019
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    Why put j Lin's name in there? The dude played 1 min in the finals.
     
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    Siakam is so underrated here, he'd be the best player on both teams if you discount Harden and Kawhi.

    This is a no brainer and before the playoffs I'd take their supporting cast over ours. The only thing I worry about is Harden can't produce the same defense as Kawhi.
     
    #113 RocketsFido, Jun 10, 2019
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    OP didn't want people to vote based on whether they liked Lin or not.
     
    #114 justtxyank, Jun 10, 2019
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  15. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    Impossible. You could never had known their supporting cast is better than ours. PROVE IT! :D
     
    #115 Mathloom, Jun 10, 2019
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    So many Raptors fans in here.
     
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    So you'd go back in time and post this? Or did you actually believe and post it somewhere before the raptors made the finals?
     
    #117 Mr. Clutch, Jun 10, 2019
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    You keep saying this. It's beyond annoying, it's a complete distraction away from the points being argued against you.

    It's pretty straight-forward logic, but you seem to not get it. Let me explain to you something very elementary:

    Saying that the Raptors team have a great supporting cast doesn't equate to a fan all of the sudden being a Raptors fan. It just means, people think Raptors roster is good.

    For that matter, I ****ing hate the GSW. But they have a great roster. Again, I hate the damn team.

    I don't give a damn about Raptors. I'm not the one drawing comparisons between Harden and Kawhi, it's literally everyone else who wants to throw Harden under the bus when he's the only reason we even got the 4th seed in the West.
     
    #118 s3ts, Jun 10, 2019
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  19. TEXNIFICENT

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    Won game 1. Dropped 32.
     
    #119 TEXNIFICENT, Jun 10, 2019
  20. TheRealist137

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    If we are also trading Morey for Masai Ujiri than yes

    If not, no
     
    #120 TheRealist137, Jun 10, 2019
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