Would you trade our personnel minus Harden for Raptors personnel minus Kawhi and Lin?

No Lin, no deal.

 

The point was, taking a great team to 6 or 7 games doesn't really prove anything. Rockets fans keep saying that we were good because we took the Warriors to whatever number of games. To me, we were clearly the inferior team even in last season's playoffs before Chris Paul's injury. We had to play flawless defense just to compete. And the flawless defense we played for four games or so tired out our legs to compete on the offensive side.

Just looking at the records is not enough. When you watch the games, you know which team needs to fight and claw its way to stay in the series, and which team just slips in a couple of games but they know they can still win at any point of the series.

 

Well, personally i agree we were the inferior team both last and this season, i'm not one of those guys who voted Rockets in 5/6 and now are b****ing cause we lost, asking to trade one guy and fired another bla bla, i had the Warriors in 6 or 7 in both the polls so, it's not like i expected us to win and i'm using the "we took them to 6 games etc" as an excuse, but to some degree i think it does prove we were competitive, we lost every game against the Warriors by like 4/5 points with CP3 being more like CP2 and Capela being useless for whatever reason. Also let's not forget about game 1, we win that one and the series might change big time so, the series was super close, actually more than a 4-2 tells

And i agree about not watching the records etc, that's exactly why i think the Warriors gave away one game to the Clippers, no disrespect to them, they've been the biggest surprise of the season all things considered, but that game 2 is more on the Warriors not taking them seriously enough.

 

You did it for the sake of serenity on this board.

 

Our team is old and too damn small on the wings.

 

I definitely would trade Morey and MDA firstly.

 

Ok but you know many years have dynasty. The 90s had the bulls. Then you had the Lakers. Then the spurs. The 80s had Lakers and Celtics.

A decent amount of the time you'll have a dynasty. Nobody is making that excuse for Malone and Barkley

 

Still on this raptors roster thing? Nobody would have swapped them before the playoffs. Only after the raptors getting to the finals does anyone vote that. That whole narrative is a joke.

So now dirk is miraculous? Dirk was great, but he was one of the lowest ranked stars to ever win a ring. Most guys who aren't as good as Dirk, guys like Barkley or ewing, haven't been good enough to lead teams to chips.

Harden isn't good enough unless he fixes his flaws like refusing move. He's the guard version of Ewing at best at this juncture

 

Let's just trade Harden then. Simple. No angst just a rebuild.

 

Kyle Lowry is one heck of a basketball player. I've always missed him since we let him go, but I don't think he would have worked with Harden.

Ibaka has proven over the past few games to be better then Nene or Faried coming off the bench at C. I would also have to say the same thing about Gasol starting at C in comparison to Capela.

Raptors have done a great job putting the roster together. Let's hope they can close it out. I would LOVE if they could close it out in Game 6 in Oracle, but that's probably too much to ask for

 

Siakam,Gasol, Ibaka, green and Van Vleet > our trash

 

Why? By excluding harden and Leonard the teams positions are now mismatched and unbalanced. It’s not that simple. If you traded 96 bulls except MJ to the 94 Knick’s will they be a great team? No different star position changes the whole strengths and weaknesses of the teams. Rockets would still have a hole at the 3 and a weaker PG while Toronto would have a hole at the 2 and a center who can’t shoot. So no it’s not that simple to say hey let’s swap teams excluding the stars. The reason why the stars are there is to have a team built around them to fill gaps and weaknesses so excluding them and filling in a star at a different position messes with the balance of the teams.

 

No woman, no cry?

 

Huh are we watching the same games? Harden never played 3 or 4 this year and I’ve watched nearly every rocket game this year lol. What do you mean there’s no difference lol. There’s still a gap at the 3 and for the raptors there’d be no 2. They’d have to start rivers lol. To me it’s unrealistic and trivial to come up with hypothetical scenarios like these since it just don’t make sense and fruitless. The issue is rockets lack of a true 3 and D 3 and limited scoring production from the 4 and 5 while maintaining a stagnant offense.

 

Or harden could move, control turnovers, play at a higher pace, show more consistent defense and get in better shape.

But you guys think he can't do that