Report: Chris Paul, James Harden argued about Rockets’ offensive style

I am curious if Rockets get a Sam Cassell as Coach, Sam is a Feisty dude.

Harden just ignores, and takes it personal and players get traded, coaches get fired.

Like LeBron but less drama to media.

 

Playing next to Harden

This is the Point Guard can fit with Harden

Trey Young Type - a 3 point shooting specialist, so quick, can drive and create his own shot, excellent passer

Chris Paul is a horrific 3 point shooter, terribly slow on fast breaks, can't drive fast to the rim anymore.
He has declined so badly, he must be traded for anybody at this point.

 

Curry God Status unleashed with ball movement in.

Harden walks away the second he doesn't have the ball.

 

I haven't read through the replies yet but if CP3 had a problem with the offense then why did he sign that expensive azz contract? I'm sure he knew that there was no way MDA was gonna change things up. As frustrating as his system is, Harden has benefited greatly from it and I'm sure he probably favors it.

 

I like Harden and what he brings. Without him we wouldn't even make the playoffs. You can take 2 to 3 all stars off the GS team and they would still make the playoffs so the whole series needs to be looked at through that context.

Still, I have to say that I have never seen another player, star or not, stand at half court while the rest of the team runs the offense. It's crazy AF. I don't know what he's doing out there. Several times a game I see him pass the ball to either EG, PG3, or Rivers and then just straight up disappear. A lot of times he's not even on the TV screen he's so far out.

So for all that Harden brings, he still has room to improve. He needs to become more clutch by demanding the ball to close out the game. If he's going to dominate the ball most of the game, he needs to follow through and do it when the game is on the line. That's not the time to start looking for assists.

He also needs to stay involved in the offense when he doesn't have the ball in his hands. If he's so tired or needs to save up energy when he doesn't have the ball, go sit down. Take a break. Then come back in and get involved.

CP3 can't improve. He's past his prime. If someone has to go it's him.

 

Would have been nice for Paul as a point guard to have shown some ball movement instead of dribbling into the paint.. jumping with no idea who he is going to exactly pass to and then usually throwing it away all series long.

Then again, it would have been nice if Paul had more than 3 other guys to pass the ball to.. Like.. maybe 4 other guys like most teams. The whole 4 vs 5 because MDA has Harden placed at the half court line standing 10 feet away from anyone on possessions he's not iso'ing has grown old. I imagine it's done to 'conserve' Hardens energy? GTFO with that nonsense.

It'd also be nice if MDA could figure out how to call timeouts properly. Maybe doing that instead could conserve Hardens energy? Maybe we could get Harden moving off the ball, set some off the ball screens and free Harden up for a Paul pass? That'd be better than having him planted mid-court and forcing Paul to create going 4 offensive players against 5 defenders

 

You are right about defense but a lot of that was curry pick and roll with dray or curry isolating on Capela so he didn’t really torch cp

 

More people should take a look at this

 

We need Klay Thompson

 

That’s what happens when you play Harden ISO ball. What is Harden ISO ball? Slowly walk the ball up the court.... continue dribbling the ball from 30 ft out.... drain the shot clock down to 7 seconds and then make your move which is a step back 3, drive for contested layup/floater, CC ally oop or pass it to Tucker in the corner. He’s good enough to make it work and come out with points most of the time and we win a lot of regular season games that way but it’s ****ing BS.

Guys can’t get into a rhythm and there’s no flow. If and when he rarely passes or defers to CP3, Ego or Rivers he expects them to do what he does.... ISO and create for themselves while he stands at half court. He either doesn’t know how to move and play without the ball or he flat out refuses. I don’t know which is worse.

 

Going back to his 6th man role as a Thunder, he played that well, I think he moved a little faster because he wasn't that bulked up yet he never was a fast mover off the ball his entire career.

 

More like where was he all season? Hope he has some momentum built up after game 6 cuz he was pretty trash last year when he actually played.

 

Even if true, this is a non story. I'm sure it is very frustrating to lose to the Warriors when you know you are the only formidable team against them. Tempers flare in basketball, it happens and it passes. It's not all sunshine and rainbows.

 

I've been relatively quiet since the 2nd round elimination. I find it really hard to blame Harden for the Rockets falling short when he was almost solely responsible for the Rockets even getting into the playoffs. The 20-5 finish post ASB made me think the Rockets had enough time to adjust from Harden's almost nightly heroics to a more balanced offensive style. At the same time, the offensive style was effective enough carry and beat some really good teams that stretch absent critical pieces to flesh out the roster. In fact the lament from fans that wish he shot more possessions is indicative of that in game 5 and 6 despite having productive nights. Harden isn't the problem whether he's ISO heavy or not. I think he's shown an ability to adjust to both styles while still quietly gathering efficient near triple double stats or 40 ppg heroics for months.

CP3 losing a step and coming in out of shape after the 2017-2018 season which contributed to the 11-14 start to the season is a problem. His injury following that poor start is a problem.

Capela's absence in the postseason vs the Warriors is a problem. The Rockets lost games primarily where they were getting outrebounded and the PnR lob was no longer effective. Capela needs to hit the weights to avoid getting bullied by Green, Bogut and Looney and develop an offensive game beyond a lob. Also get rid of the bleach stain in his hair. And don't call out the Warriors if you're going to disappear.

I also blame management. The Melo experiment failed and the Rockets roster starting out the season had Knight, Chriss, Caboclo and were counting on rookies Hartenstein and Clark to be bench producers despite 0 NBA experience. That is not a NBA championship contender starting out the season. The midseason trades and Harden's heroics really mask the roster issues the Rockets faced this year.

The Rockets still don't have a replacement from Nene who showed up in the playoffs absent Capela. That should concern you as a fan. He's ancient and wants to retire. I really hope Hartenstein shows up big this season and have hope given his monster stats in the G-League reflect a solid backup C in place of Nene. At the same time, that's really counting on a lot from him.

Starting out the season the Rockets were among the worst in team defense until Bzdelik arrived. He's gone now. Who will they get to replace him to get the team to collectively buy into playing good defense?

 

CP3 did terrible when Harden sit. He shoot 39.3% when Harden sits, as compared to 47.8% when Harden plays. And our offensive rating drops from 107.9 when Harden is playing to 90 when Harden is not playing and Paul is playing against a weaker defense. When Harden plays and doesn't have the ball, CP3 is playing 4v4, which means less help defenders. That's why he shoots much better with Harden on the floor.

Your entire argument is based on speculations and delusions in your mind, not facts.

 

SAS made a good point. Capela was an inflated asset vs GSW.

Placing blame on Harden, trying to compare him to MJ, etc., it's just a different era. Steph would no longer be Steph in MJ's era because of the nature of the game. Harden, on the other hand, is a guy who would've adapted himself to that style of play.

Also... Harden comes up to drop 29+ pts on all games vs GSW and he's called a failure. Steph comes in to drop 29+ pts in only 2 out of 6 games as, apparently, the best shooter in the history of basketball -- and he's still apparently the greatest shooter ever.

At the end of the day, Capela and MDA are the ones who deserve most of the blame. You take away the inside threat, Houston has only 3-pt shooting as a go-to play and the mid-range is all but eliminated. Too predictable, too easy to defend.

 

All the CP3 is washed people get their dick hard when they pour over how badly he shoots now. CP3 affects the game with more than just his shooting. Even more now that he can't shoot. CP3 has never been a player who liked to shoot even when he was shooting well. Playing 4x4 focusing on his (now washed) ISO ability is not helping CP3. Having everyone cut and CP3 creating shots for others is why CP3 excels, not because he is playing against 2nd tier players.

I point to the GSW regular season win without Harden when CP3 had 1 million assists shooting 38% from the field.

 

Newsflash: People argue all the time. Friends argue. Families argue. Spouses argue.

Unless we're getting a Dwight Howard special with a Players Only meeting this is all irrelevant.

 

just fyi: The Rockets are 18-0 this season when cp3 has double digit assists. And in the two years that hes been here that now makes it 33-1.

but hey lets not have him creating as much.