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Harden can be even better!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JW86, May 22, 2019.

  1. harold bingo

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    This is a great point. Rockets were also one of the worst in terms of team turnovers for the playoffs too. We have some obvious issues with our regular season strategies being much less effective in the playoffs, that much is clear. This is just another thing to add to the list.
     
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  2. DaDakota

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    Protect the ball - fewer turnovers and less lazy fancy passes.

    DD
     
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  3. durvasa

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    Among player who averaged at least 45 passes per game in the regular season, Harden had the worst Pass to BadPassTOV ratio. A bad pass turnover every 22.2 passes made:

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            Player                   TEAM    PASSES MADE  AST     POTENTIAL AST   BadPassTO   Pass/BadPass ratio   AST/BadPass Ratio PotentialAST/BadPass Ratio
    1       James Harden             HOU     49.5         7.5     13.8            2.23        22.2                 3.4               6.2
    2       Russell Westbrook        OKC     60.1         10.8    20.8            2.37        25.4                 4.6               8.8
    3       Devin Booker             PHX     45.6         6.8     12.6            1.78        25.6                 3.8               7.1
    4       Trae Young               ATL     55.3         8.1     15.3            2           27.7                 4.1               7.7
    5       John Wall                WAS     56.1         8.7     15.7            1.84        30.5                 4.7               8.5
    6       Luka Doncic              DAL     57.6         6       11.7            1.7         33.9                 3.5               6.9
    7       Chris Paul               HOU     50.8         8.2     15.6            1.45        35.0                 5.7               10.8
    8       LeBron James             LAL     54.2         8.3     16              1.54        35.2                 5.4               10.4
    9       Walter Lemon Jr.         CHI     47.3         5       9.2             1.33        35.6                 3.8               6.9
    10      D'Angelo Russell         BKN     52.1         7       12.5            1.44        36.2                 4.9               8.7
    11      Jrue Holiday             NOP     60.4         7.7     13.9            1.66        36.4                 4.6               8.4
    12      Dennis Smith Jr.         NYK     52.5         4.8     9.2             1.43        36.7                 3.4               6.4
    13      Rajon Rondo              LAL     55.5         8       14.4            1.49        37.2                 5.4               9.7
    14      Damian Lillard           POR     53.6         6.9     12.3            1.43        37.5                 4.8               8.6
    15      Kyle Lowry               TOR     62.5         8.7     14              1.65        37.9                 5.3               8.5
    16      Stephen Curry            GSW     50.4         5.2     9               1.33        37.9                 3.9               6.8
    17      De'Aaron Fox             SAC     56.4         7.3     13              1.43        39.4                 5.1               9.1
    18      Elfrid Payton            NOP     55.4         7.6     13              1.39        39.9                 5.5               9.4
    19      Ricky Rubio              UTA     55.7         6.1     11.1            1.34        41.6                 4.6               8.3
    20      Draymond Green           GSW     58.6         6.9     11.4            1.39        42.2                 5.0               8.2
    
    This list will be skewed towards players who are more aggressive with their passes, which isn't always a bad thing. Still, it is indicative of the fact that Harden is not exactly an "efficient" passer.
     
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  4. Mr. Clutch

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    What's the definition of a bad pass in this statistic?
     
  5. HP3

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    Whered you get this anyways? This is a cool stat.
     
  6. deshen

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    TOs, I guess.
     
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    It's a certain kind of TO. Not sure how they determine which is a bad pasa
     
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    I thought we were talking about James Harden and not Chris Paul
     
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    A turnover that was attributed to a passer in the play by play.
     
  11. ApacheWarrior

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    Probably been said already, floater from 7 to 10 feet in the lane (from rim) with either hand.

    This was the difference between the Utah series and Warriors series imo. Rockets went into each Utah game with
    a mindset of being run off the 3-pt line and needing to avoid Gobert near the rim. So floaters and free throw line
    shots were a big staple of the Rockets/Harden-CP3 offensive attack.

    In the Warriors series the floater seemed abandoned with the belief that the rim was open......Warriors protect the rim well as a group (Durant/Draymond/Iggy/Klay/Looney) in the playoffs. The floater was available all game, every game in the series..

    Draymond leaps to where Capela will accept the lob on the side of the rim Capela is rolling from, once Harden
    picks up his dribble. Capela needs to back pick Draymond as a means of grounding Draymond enough to clear the reach of Draymond Green (if it can be possible for Capela to out jump/reach Dray).

    IMHO. And yeah continue to nail/practice mid-range shots off the dribble. Those abandoned CP3 as well in the
    Warriors series as he seemed to fear the trailing defender blocking his shot.
     
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  12. tochiee22

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    Needs to learn to not be so turnover prone
    Work on 3 pt more
    Move off ball more
     
  13. javal_lon

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    Lead the league in techs... He'd get respect
     
  14. ApacheWarrior

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    cont’d from post #51

    FG% for (Warriors/Rockets) series was:
    Warriors (.470) vs Rockets (.451)

    Rockets made up a lot of ground with a 37% (3P%) vs Warriors 35% (3P%)......but Iggy was the
    difference in the games played.
    Iggy scored: 14 pts (gm 1), 16 pts (gm 2), 16 pts (gm 3), 7 pts (gm 4), 11 pts (gm 5), 17 pts (gm 6). 9.0 FGA’s/game.
    In Portland series Iggy averaged 4.7 FGA’s/game. Something like 3 points a game.

    Iggy diving to the rim from the 3-point line killed the Rockets, especially lobs at rim as he dived from corner 3.
    Some easy floaters could have countered the easy baskets the Warriors were getting.

    Can’t ask guards to block out SF’s!!! Not consistently. Rockets only lost by 11 points for the series.


    stats per basketball-reference.com
     

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