Would you sign Kimbrel or Keuchel for 1 year 15mil?

Keuchel would be in addition to Miley. It is McHugh/Peacock vs. Keuchel.

Don't need him, but still love to have him back. Personally I'm rooting for him, just hope he doesn't sign in the AL is it isn't is.

 

Rather add someone better at the deadline

 

I’m still of the opinion that we wait until closer to the trade deadline to spend the money we may need to spend. Right now we don’t have an obvious hole but injuries or play could open one up down the line. Sure Keuchel may not be available, but we also may not need a starter.

 

If the only measure you looked at was ERA, then you would be correct that Miley gives you about what Keuchel does. Fortunately, we have more data available, which tells a slightly different story. Regardless, I would still not sign Keuchel to a longer term contract, not in today's financial environment. I also would prefer to see what some of the youngsters like Martin can do.

 

I think we will still need one more SP personally but agree with everything you stated.

 

Agreed a SP and a RP to pitch the 7th too imo. I’m probably being greedy, though.

That said, I see no reason to rush at this point. The team is playing well and who knows who will become available as teams start to fall out of contention.

 

When I look at contact data(xwOBA), it suggests the same story that ERA tells. So while I'm not a big fan of ERA for samples less than 600 innings, there is data that suggests Miley is a good pitcher that has the tools to succeed even without a high K rate.

 

They had a good podcast on the Athletic about Keuchel and why he's not signed yet. Besides his ego and the money, all teams have huge analytical depts now and they see all hitters using the launch angle more and more and having success against sinker ball pitchers, not against mid to high fastball pitchers. Most see him as a 4-5 starter in today's game and would rather use someone from within their organization than strapping themselves with a massive 1-2 contract for an average pitcher. The Braves were close to signing him, but decided to bring up Freid and Soroka instead. Both have had fantastic starts to the season, so great decision by them.

 

Keuchel is garbage... much rather trade for mad bum and bring up Forest

 

You know Forrest has been garbage this year right?

 

LA revolution hurts the sinker. 2019 version of the juiced ball is hurting the 4 seam fastball (high fastball). This looks to be the year with the fewest 4S fastballs thrown recently, but will likely see homers off 4S fastballs increase by about 15% from last year. I'm not sure sinker ball throwers should be penalized right now. I'm guessing a lot of analytical teams are incredibly happy right now as change favors the teams willing to adapt. Not sure how teams will adapt. Teams that have locked in rosters, even if analytically inclined, may not be happy if juiced ball hurts them.

 

Why is Keuchel ‘garbage’?

 

For those advocating bringing Keuchel back to the Stros, I think the same logic applies. We thought Whitley would be the guy that we could bring up and help replace innings. Maybe Martin is that guy instead. In any case, big money for what Keuchel brings doesn't make too much sense unless your a playoff bound team that has incurred a injury to a significant starter who is lost for the year. Even in this case, maybe such a team would be better trading for a starter instead.

As we saw in the off-season in general, there are always teams that will pay big for top talent. Keuchel's problem is that he views himself as a top talent where as the rest of the league does not.

 

It has gotta be that 2.6 WAR he posted last year. Complete garbage. Even I, a broken down old ass man, can post a 50+ WAR.

 

Did you watch him pitch the last two years? He lives on his command, we all know his stuff is Average at best...there is a reason a "cy young" winner is unemployed...

 

Rather let Brent work with him in the Majors, being able to learn from champions....seeing Corbin up pitching lights out should light a fire under our number 1 prospect..

 

Let's see...last year he was in the top 30 (among pitchers) in the AL in WAR. Yep, garbage. He is unemployed because he has over valued himself.

 

No. If Bumgarner wants an extension as part of the trade, then no trade.

If Bumgarner comes in and pitches the Astros to a World Series championship, then we can talk extension though his open market value at that point will likely be more than Luhnow is willing to pay.

 

What's up with Evan Gattis as well? He had a bad year but still had 25 HR's with a .736 OPS. Not that I want the Astros to get him, but it seems like someone would pick him up.