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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. mick fry

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    How many investigations will it take to clear this man?
     
  2. larsv8

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    LOL at all the celebrating.

    We don't even know what the report says.
     
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    We know it recommends NO FURTHER INDICTMENTS. That's all that really matters.
     
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  4. mick fry

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    Maybe they should have took more time.
     
  5. larsv8

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    Thats not really accurate at all. It said Mueller wasn't indicting anyone further, not that there wouldn't be further indictments. We already know he has referred multiple indictments to different entities.

    Hell the entire report could lay out multiple crimes by the president and present the evidence, and then end with, but the DOJ has a policy to not indict a sitting president, opening the door to any number of states, who have no such policies.
     
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    Just because he doesn't recommend indictments doesn't mean it clears Trump from having done anything illegal or breaking the law otherwise. Trump could have colluded with the Russians or broken laws, but this means that either there wasn't enough to win the case, or that you can't indict a sitting president which is held to be true.
     
  7. larsv8

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    Witnesses have no obligation to speak to investigating entities, and thus need no lawyers.
     
  8. mick fry

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    I know you guys have your fingers crossed, good luck!
     
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    Or the most obvious choice which is he didn't do a damn thing. Interesting your forgot that option.
     
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    That is not a fair response. Ever been "invited" by the Senate to testify? If you decline, next step is a hostile subpoena and an unfriendly forum.
     
  11. No Worries

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    Both sides, it appears.
     
  12. cml750

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    lol, yes the investigation uncovered crimes committed by people but not a single one of them had ANYTHING to do with Russian collusion by Trump. They were all process crimes, tax evasion, and/or actual Russian trolls who had no connection to Trump. The media will try to sell this as a successful investigation because of the indictments and convictions but the target of the investigation, "collusion", was never found.
     
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    Mueller is a friend to the Republican party so this was a farce. The Russians probably got to him as well.

    The real investigation begins and ends with Schiff.
     
  14. dobro1229

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    You just don’t get it that it’s all self inflicted. The FBI counterintelligence probe was not public knowledge till recently and probably wouid have stayed quiet... but no... Trump had to fire Comey and admit on TV that he did it for corrupt purposes. Rosenstein at that point had no choice but to get the investigations out of the FBI and into a special prosecutors hands. Had to be done.

    The Mueller investigation is 100% Trumps own fault. If we see the Mueller report we’ll probably find out real quick if Comey and McCabe would have ever had anything that ever would have come back to Trump. That’ll be the most interesting thing to learn.. if this is Trumps own doing or if Comey had the goods all along.

    The SDNY investigation is 100% Trumps fault too. He and Cohen committed crimes at Trumps direction. Not sure why that just means nothing to the folks that still want to hang Hillary to a cross for doing what seems like most high ranking officials still do (see Kushner using whatsapp and personal email).

    Just amazing to me that you guys can’t see the obvious fact that these are self inflicted wounds by a careless and clearly criminal president who thinks he’s above the law. If the crimes and the lying and the covering up don’t matter to you just be Freaking honest and say that.

    But don’t sit here and lie to me that Trump is some sort of blameless victim. Just because Trump gets away with lying to you doesn’t mean folks like you can lie to everyone else and be believed.
     
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  15. Ubiquitin

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    Wait until the final report is issued before making any proclamations. If it absolves Trump, Trump Jr Jared, and Ivanka good for them. But DOJ says Mueller also cannot indict a sitting president, so it’s premature to say Trump is out of the woods yet.

    But the investigation ultimately was about Russian interference in the US election, not Trump cooperating with the Russians.
     
  16. dobro1229

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    The mandate actually does state about Trump campaign connection to the Russian crimes in relation to the 2016 campaign but not specifically about Russians in general.

    But Mueller in his report will certainly be answering the question of collusion with Russia on the quid pro quo (we do the hacking support you, and you get us sanctions relief).

    The fact that there are no new indictments doesn’t really clear the campaign at all though. We could learn a lot given all that has been redacted from Manafort to Stone to Flynn. Three key plot points in the collusion.

    -Manafort brings in the Russian infection
    -Stone helps coordinate the deliverable from Russia
    -Flynn helps coordinate the deliverable from the Trump admin to Russia ... sanctions and policy direction

    That whole story could be put together in a more comprehensive narrative that is extremely damning to Trump and the whole report could have his name all over it.

    And at the same time doesn’t require more indictments for the above to be laid out. It’s all there already, just heavily redacted, and the criminal charges come in the cover up to keep Trump out of political trouble.

    All of that would be very damning and very easy to believe given we’ve already seen that story in separate court documents. That story given context and without redactions IS THE COLLUSION story.

    So yeah you’re right it can absolve and probably has from a criminal perspective in relation to collusion, but yeah it’s important to note how narrow Mueller’s mandate was. Russian connection crimes could very well not be related to the Mueller mandate as well so important note.
     
  17. El_Conquistador

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    "Be Freaking honest!"... says the person who was played for a fool for two years by a dishonest media and liberal political effort! "Be Freaking honest" says the gullible fool who was incapable of discerning politically-motivated lies from actual reality. "Be Freaking honest!" says the charlatan who spread lies without a shred of proof for two years.

    Listen rookie, after two years of moral condescension from your team that turned out to be 100% unfounded and false, you kinda lose your authority to sling accusations and tell people what's right. Good advice for you now: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

    GOOD DAY
     
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  18. mick fry

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    Endless excuses man. They will never give it up because no one can admit they took the bait for several years. They honestly can't come to terms with being duped by the media, so they will make any excuse they can to make their reality feel real. And that is the problem. FEELINGS. They only think to justify their FEELINGS and let the herd control said feelings. Baaaahhhh. MOOOOOOO. Herd animals the lot of them.
     
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  20. MojoMan

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    It is not going to fly this time. Not even they can be so dense and so delusional. This is the moment when a huge number of them realize that they have been played and played badly. It has to be.
     
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