The only time I've seen a spin work is to go behind a screen after a jab fake the opposite way of the screen. But that was random
Harden is on that level for me. Messi is last decade... but the new decade has to start like 2 years ago because Messi was awesome then. But he is now. Who knows what I'm talking about... Harden and Messi both mess with my brain and what I thought was possible.
LOL. In regards to Messi, you are just desensitized to how brilliant he is. The jaw dropping moments aren't as often but he still has more often than any other player.