http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/05/disney-to-lose-over-50-million-on-solo-a-star-wars-story I think they should step back and put more thought into the entire franchise. The fact they never had a direction for the first trilogy is criminal. They just let each director do whatever they want so long it was safe. I am not a Star Wars fan and loved Force Awakens. It was a great general audience film. Rogue One was fan fiction, written by a fan and that the real fans loved. That model of having the saga be for general audience and the standalones to be for fans seems like a smart one. These companies typically crap all over the fans because they think they are a small segment. The issue is they are opinion makers. If the nerds are not on board, the legitimacy of the product dies off.
Yeah but there's other factors that you have to account for, the studio has to pay the theaters...not very much for the first week or so of a movie, but by the 4th week a movie is out the theaters can be getting over half of the money on ticket sales. You also have to factor in marketing costs as well. When a movie has only a few weeks to make the studios the most money and a good rule of thumb is that they need to make back about twice what the reported production budget to break even. Solo had a reported 250 million dollar budget due to a ton of re-shoots and other BS that went on and thus far after a week and a half they've only made back 264 million globally. They'd have to nearly double that in the next week or so in order to break even....and that's just not going to happen. Compare that to Deadpool 2 that had a 110 million dollar production budget and has been out for 2 and a half weeks and has already made right around 600 mil. That's the kind of numbers that the studios want to see. Or another example, Infinity war had a reported budget of 400 million and topped 1.2 billion in just 12 days. With how the studios set up deals with theaters, they got nearly all of that money. The fact that the movie is about to top 2 billion dollars after a little more than a month is great, but they care about the early money the most because they get the largest chunk of it.
Also, I think it you spend 250 million on a film, much done in addition to the original budget, I think the criticism that they didn't care and just rolled this out for a cash grab is way off the mark. Nothing about the film says they didn't care . It just didn't resonate for some reason. I'm not sure why someone didn't force a reshoot of Han Solo getting his name tho', because that was an easy one.
Even worse when you read the novels about Maul's life, Palpatine found him as a baby, raised him and was his idol/father figure throughout most of his life.
You're right. The film just didn't resonate. That's a succinct way to put it. Overall, I still like the movie, but it's the side-chick. No one's married to it. Being outside of the main Star Wars tale (even Rogue One was kind of an Episode 3.75), and generally grittier and more grounded in tone---and being one of many would-be summer blockbusters---it just completely stalled out. I do wonder about Ron Howard, though. Outside of winning Best Director for a (sorry) forgettable movie, he's been on a downward slope. Maybe Star Wars was his redemption vehicle. Now look.
I haven't watched this movie yet, but I noticed all the hate for TLJ in this thread, which is weird to me. I actually liked it more than TFA. I think my point of view is different than most of you, because I was never a big Star Wars fan. I saw the originals when I was a little kid, but had no memory of them. I watched TFA last year, and went back and watched the originals after that. I like the new movies more than the old.
I initially had a positive view of TLJ immediately after watching it the first time.....then I started to put a bit of thought into what I just watched and the more I thought about it, the more I soured on the movie. Now after seeing the movie 2 more times, I absolutely hate a lot of it. Unlike some, it has nothing to do with the handling of Luke....it was actually something I still like about it. It has nothing to do with the space Mary Poppins scene, I was even fine with that. I just can't get over the fact that the movie should have ended a few minutes after it began where any competent military commander would have part of his fleet jump in front of the rebels and have the rest stay in back in order to box them in. They'd easily mow them down in minutes and the movie is over. If we just accept that all First Order military people are completely incompetent....okay, but then that brings us to the next issue. If not for the complete incompetence of Admiral Purple Hair, there's no mutiny and there's no Casino planet mission....which was by far the worst part of the movie. It would have taken very little for Admiral Purple Hair to calm down her people and reassure them that they had a working plan....and there was no reason for her to not do so other than just to be a b**** about it. If she's not worthless then there's no controversy at all and they escape successfully to the "salt" planet and there's no need for Rose (the new Jar Jar) to kamikaze Finn and prevent him from saving the day in the dumbest scene in the history of Star Wars. On top of that, adding in things like space fuel complicates the lore and doubling down on the idea that you can basically jump through shields and take out ships that way kills space battles forever. I mean, if you can do that, why not just ALWAYS do that? Why would shields ever be a problem? Sure they got a cool looking scene, but they did irreparable damage to the shared universe in the process. Anyway, there's many more problems with TLJ when you think about it, but those are some of the main issues and reasons why people hate it. That said, it still looks fantastic and I think that's why I liked it so much at first.
I seriously don't get and am rather exhausted by the divisiveness of the movie. Yeah I can understand, as with all things, some people will find issue with it. And that's ok. But Last Jedi, shoot really anything beyond the original trilogy, get's crapped on because it just doesn't fit certain fanboys' idea of what THEY want in a Star Wars movie. I didn't care for Last Jedi at first because was it quite a bit different from previous films, but the more I thought about it and watched, the more I loved it. There's a lot going on in the film, and I really loved how it expanded the universe and the mysticism of the Force. And I dunno, why pick apart technicalities like those mentioned and just enjoy it for the science fiction series it is.
Finally got around to seeing it. Being (what I consider myself to be) a Star Wars fan, that in itself might be telling. Of what, I'm not sure though. Nonetheless, I enjoyed it. Outside of the obvious characters I know and love not looking like younger versions of themselves, it was still a good flick. I think I'll start anticipating the standalone flicks more than the actual series ones.
“a vocal Last Jedi hater.” It’s a movie. Be vocal about real life problems, not because a movie wasn’t made to your liking. Y’all extra AF and spoiled.
It shows 1:15 in the morning when you typed this. I’m just gonna assume you were snot slinging drunk and REALLY bitter about life last night when you posted. If not, God help us. This is a basketball message board. It’s main purpose is to provide a platform for discussions on subjects outside of life’s real problems.
And then you realize again it’s JUST a movie and it’s 4:50 p.m. and I know when you typed this you were snot slinging drunk and really bitter about your life when you again realized it’s JUST a movie. If not, GOD help us. When a movie effects your life that much that you cry and it makes you hate, you need to re-evaluate it. #SnotSlinging #GodHelpYou
You come off as very angry about people criticizing a movie.....in a thread where people are discussing the movie.
I'm not a serious Star Wars fan but I have watched every single Star Wars movie in the theatre (original series during the re-release and also Rogue One) but skipping Solo. To me Han Solo was never a character I really care to know more deeply. I mean Star Wars in general isn't exactly character driven but there are some really nice dynamics, but Han Solo never felt like one of them to me. It's pretty telling that I found more interest in a throwaway line of the original trilogy that spawned Rogue One than I do Solo movie.
I like TLJ (have watched it 3x) and agree that it gets better each time, but they really should have cut the entire Finn arc out of the movie. Would have improved it as most of his scenes were painful and really didn’t add anything to the storyline.
Weird, character development is actually what makes up the entire story arch from episode 1-8 and what Star Wars is about to me. Anakin fighting his inner demons and turning into Vader, Luke developing friendships and fighting all odds to help them, with Vader in the end becoming good and saving Luke to redeem himself. Han not giving a **** about anything but money and then saving his friends during the battle in Episode 4 and later becoming a general. Rey turning from a scavenger to becoming a part of the rebellion, Finn turning away from the empire and fighting for what he believes in, in the end nearly sacrificing himself for the greater good.
