T-Mac "Anybody can win a championship, Everybody can't get in the hall of fame"

I'm sure I'm late on this, but...

Wise words from JR Smith

 

I give you credit for going out to Vegas but that is about it.

 

I don't credit mcgrady for any playoff series wins for the rockets
Even fake situations conjured up by tmac fans

 

It's funny that when you and others talk abou the Utah Houston series, some posters turn this into a McGrady failed it....

as Basketball Houston was the Houston McGradies..........no such thing

 

I have neither the desire nor the time to discuss that now.

All I seek is justice or balance. One sided hate or love is not asked here.

 

We lost both series to Utah under tmac
It didn't matter which coach or role players

 

Clearly Tracy is 100% correct, on the surface at least. Any one CAN win a championship. Hell, he almost coasted his way to a ring with the Spurs late in his career.

The issue is with Tracy's well documented struggles and lack of success LEADING teams deep into the playoffs throughout his career. Obviously that can't be done by just anyone. And that is Tracy's biggest criticism, not the fact that he never won a ring.

Tracy moved the goal posts with this quote and everyone fell for it.

 

So why does Yao get a pass???

 

Because Yao had heart and he was homegrown.

 

Yao's career was limited by ball dominant players like mcgrady and Francis.
Not a coincidence we won a playoff series when Yao was the focal point of the offense

 

Obviously, if TMac had said anyone could lead a team to a championship, he'd be wrong. That isn't true at all, but it's a pretty unfair expectation to have of anyone. Maybe the comparison should be between leading a team to the second round and entering the Hall of Fame. I still think HoF is a bigger deal. He was a great player. His failure to advance I would call 80% fluky and 20% personal failing.

 

Yao did get out (finally) of the first round against the Blazers as the Top Dog on the team. The Rockets were also the road team.

 

It's hard to argue against that.... what can a blind man or crippled man do to defend himself against criticism?

Folks put him in a care system.

We had that 2009 team with Ron Artest and out he goes and was crippled for his career.

 

fluke (noun) - unlikely chance occurrence, especially a surprising piece of luck.

Not making it past the first round ONCE in his decade of being the top dog player does NOT make it a fluke. At that point, it's become a TREND.

 

He should be criticized for sure, but I can't say it was all his fault no matter how much he says It's on ME!

 

No one is saying it's all his fault, but the majority of the responsibility definitely falls on him. Fact of the matter is that someone with his talent should have dragged his team farther.

 

Maybe dragging a team to the 2nd round isn't something every star player was good at......I can only recall Lebron James and the Cavs and that was in the East, or Iverson but he had okayish Deke and a couple of above average players.

Is there a manual that goes with a superstar.....

Job requirement - has to be able to drag his team without much help to the 2nd or 3rd round - ECF or Finals in the East a must?

We as fans are behind monitors and talk as if it were that easy, without even leaving the seat.

 

It is basically an unspoken requisite that real superstars drag their teams deep into the playoffs at least once. I will leave this with the same question I leave any poster trying (and failing to defend/excuse T-Mac); show me a single (veteran) superstar as talented as T-Mac that has had as little success has he has had. Even lesser talented players have had much more success. Hell, Dream did it in the West!

T-Mac is a career loser who burned bridges with EVERY team he was supposed to lead. Hell, his teams usually did better when he wasn't leading them. Again, this is not a fluke or just bad luck. This is a TREND.

 

Yes it is a trend, you can graph it out playoff series victories on the Y Axis, Team and playoff year on the X.

There's no line, cause it's zero.

 

Problem is I dun recall anyone as talented as Tmac..... rarely have there been players ...

Chris Paul I would say. Always 2nd round, it is a tad better but from a scoring perspective and explosiveness Chris Paul was far behind Tmac.

Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins (playoffs?)