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Carmelo Anthony expecting Knicks to resume trade talks, sources say

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by don grahamleone, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Jpripper88

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    A $20M doesn't make any sense, actually, because Melo leaving after a year would be perfect for the Knicks, so they would much rather keep him in that scenario. Plus, what would be Melo's market next year? Who would be the contenders who could sign him to a big contract without gutting their team? He couldn't even facilitate a sign and trade with a team or have them use early bird rights to sign him to a huge deal.

    A buyout for Carmelo has to be very close to his contract value (of both seasons) or it doesn't make sense for him financially. If Carmelo is bought out and wants to sign with a contender, he essentially has no option but to sign for veteran minimum or an exception (the Rockets have no exceptions left this year) this year and most likely next year, since no one will own his Bird rights. So, in your scenario, if he takes only $20M (instead of $54M) he would be leaving, at least, $27M on the table, when considering offsets and him likely taking vet minimum this year and one of the MLEs next year.

    Buyout: $20M
    Vet Min 2017-18: $2.3M
    2017-18 Knicks Offset: -$500K
    Max MLE: $8.6M* (This is based on the non-taxpayer MLE, which would likely not apply for teams he'd sign with)
    2018-19 Kicks Offset: -$3.65M

    MAX Money for Carmelo for 2017-8 AND 2018-19: $26.75M
    Leaving $27.25M on the table

    More realistic MLE
    Buyout: $20M
    Vet Min 2017-18: $2.3M
    2017-18 Knicks Offset: -$500K
    Taxpayer MLE: $5.3M
    2018-19 Kicks Offset: -$2M

    MAX Money for Carmelo for 2017-8 AND 2018-19: $25.1M
    Leaving $29M on the table

    That buyout number doesn't fall below $40M or it doesn't happen.

    At $40M Buyout and Taxpayer MLE
    Buyout: $40M
    Vet Min 2017-18: $2.3M
    2017-18 Knicks Offset: -$500K
    Taxpayer MLE: $5.3M
    2018-19 Kicks Offset: -$2M

    MAX Money for Carmelo for 2017-8 AND 2018-19: $45.1M
    STILL leaving $9M on the table
     
  2. Jpripper88

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    That doesn't make any sense, because Melo leaving after a year would be perfect for the Knicks, so they would much rather keep him in that scenario. Plus, what would be Melo's market next year? Who would be the contenders who could sign him to a big contract without gutting their team? He couldn't even facilitate a sign and trade with a team or have them use early bird rights to sign him to a huge deal.

    A buyout for Carmelo has to be very close to his contract value (of both seasons) or it doesn't make sense for him financially. If Carmelo is bought out and wants to sign with a contender, he essentially has no option but to sign for veteran minimum or an exception (the Rockets have no exceptions left this year) this year and most likely next year, since no one will own his Bird rights. So, in your scenario, if he takes only $20M (instead of $54M) he would be leaving, at least, $27M on the table, when considering offsets and him likely taking vet minimum this year and one of the MLEs next year.

    Buyout: $20M
    Vet Min 2017-18: $2.3M
    2017-18 Knicks Offset: -$500K
    Max MLE: $8.6M* (This is based on the non-taxpayer MLE, which would likely not apply for teams he'd sign with)
    2018-19 Kicks Offset: -$3.65M

    MAX Money for Carmelo for 2017-8 AND 2018-19: $26.75M
    Leaving $27.25M on the table

    More realistic MLE
    Buyout: $20M
    Vet Min 2017-18: $2.3M
    2017-18 Knicks Offset: -$500K
    Taxpayer MLE: $5.3M
    2018-19 Kicks Offset: -$2M

    MAX Money for Carmelo for 2017-8 AND 2018-19: $25.1M
    Leaving $29M on the table

    That buyout number doesn't fall below $40M or it doesn't happen.

    At $40M Buyout and Taxpayer MLE
    Buyout: $40M
    Vet Min 2017-18: $2.3M
    2017-18 Knicks Offset: -$500K
    Taxpayer MLE: $5.3M
    2018-19 Kicks Offset: -$2M

    MAX Money for Carmelo for 2017-8 AND 2018-19: $45.1M
    STILL leaving $9M on the table
     
  3. J.R.

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    Mills and Perry’s goals of youth, athleticism and defense aren’t attributes associated with Anthony, but the Knicks don’t want to make a bad trade just to satisfy him. Talks with the Rockets — even on a four-team trade — didn’t result in a satisfactory deal, and now that club is up for sale.

    In addition, Mills may want Perry to sort through offers that may come in, with his own ideals of what assets are needed in an Anthony blockbuster.

    Asked directly about a buyout that would yield the Knicks no assets, Mills said it wouldn’t happen. A stretch provision would give the Knicks extra cap space for this season, but most of the marquee free agents have already signed.

    “Carmelo is a great, great basketball player and if Carmelo is with us, we will continue to develop our young players,’’ Mills said. “If he’s not here, we’ll continue to develop our young players.

    http://nypost.com/2017/07/17/knicks-say-theres-only-one-way-carmelos-leaving-town/
     
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  4. DanTony!Toni!Tone!

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    Not to butt heads here, because that was a well thought out post, however, you just wrote 10 paragraphs about the Blazers' team (or lack there of) and didn't mention Lillard once. I just thought that was a bit bizarre. That would be like some G-list (yes, even father down the shitty ladder than C-list) actor from Portland spewing filth from the talking slit above their chin about our Rockets and failing to mention Harden.
     
  5. Matt78777

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    I'm sorry I'm not following the way you laid out your sums. I also thinks its very pessimistic to assume Melo will only get Taxpayer MLE in 2018. I would argue he's at least as valuable as Iguodala, who got much more.

    I still don't get why my scenario doesn't make sense. Players opt out all the time and trade value per year for length on contract. Melo may or may not get max money next year in the open market, but I don't think it's unrealistic (especially if he rebuilds his value playing on a team that matters) for him to be able to opt out next year, and sign a 3-4 year deal at $20M+ per season. That's $7M less next season than he would have made if he opted in, but he gets long term security and more money overall. Could he make more money if he stays in his contract and then gets a 3-4 year deal? Sure, but that's a risk, and a risk that an older player like him doesn't usually take.

    If you're the Knicks, and Melo is telling you trade me to these teams or else, and those teams have nothing of value to the Knicks, buying out Melo makes sense because he's not in your plans and you save money, (in my scenario, a little bit this year, and a lot next year).
     
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    [Mannix] The Blazers’ early involvement has largely been as a third-team facilitator for New York and Houston, with the teams’ inability to find a fourth team to absorb the contract of Meyers Leonard stalling at least one version of the deal, three sources told The Vertical (sports.yahoo.com)

    Expectations are that talks between the Knicks and Rockets will resume in the coming days, with Houston determined to pair Anthony with James Harden and Chris Paul. Yet the complicated nature of an Anthony deal – not the least of which is the two years and $54 million Anthony has remaining on his contract – makes it difficult, likely requiring at least one more team to complete.
     
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    imminent my ass. as already documented over and over again, nobody is eating anderson's contract anytime soon.
     
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    Give them Zhou Qi or nah?
     
  9. IslandB.O.I.

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    What are the chances Les pressures Morey to go "all-in" on a Melo trade? Meaning they up their offer with different players. Adding Melo might make the Rockets more valuable in the short term for the sale. Les might not value the future as much since he is selling the team.
     
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    Is there a way we could end up with Leonard? Don't want him but in order to make this thing happen. I guess we would have to give up ariza and we are not willing? Not sure if I would either just asking
     
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    It'll be a tough decision to take on a contract that can't easily be dumped next summer if Lebron is on board. Leonard's contract v production is much worse than Anderson, which is saying a lot.

    To add, Lee would be easier but also tough to dump .. if we need to include Gordon in the deal (Gordon out, Lee in).
     
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  12. Jpripper88

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    Value doesn't matter. He would have no Bird rights to sign with a contending team, after being bought out, if they are over the cap. All the real contenders would be WAAAAY over the cap, including the Rockets (even if they renounced everyone except Chris Paul) so they would have no other options to sign him, unless they gutted their teams to get under the cap. They obviously wouldn't do that for a 34 year old Melo.

    Could Melo opt out next year? Sure. He still wouldn't have a path to the money AND a real contender.

    Of course your scenario makes sense to the Knicks. They would buy Melo out in a millisecond for $20M, if they could. Of course, they would still probably prefer he just stays and doesn't opt in next year, but there is no reason for Melo to agree to that and the Knicks probably don't want to roll the dice on that.

    So, find me a scenario where there is a legitimate contender Carmelo would want to join and who would want to sign Carmelo this year and then be able to offer him a $20M+ per year deal.

    If Carmelo is traded, then it would make sense for him to opt out and take a deal like you are talking about because his team (like the Rockets) would retain his Bird rights and could sign him, even if they were over the salary cap.
     
  13. don grahamleone

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    Jay23 fans only see grammar rules their way.
     
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  14. don grahamleone

    don grahamleone Contributing Member

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    He's 33 and just came off a season where his GM was bashing him behind the scenes constantly and what does he do? Scores 22 a game. He's hardly a "has been" kind of like you're not a "has been". You are currently a troll, not a has been troll. GTFO. Your posting sucks big ole donkey balls.
     
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    I'm honestly not surprised there are people that think I legitimately forgot about Damian Lillard. Some people are slow.
     
  16. don grahamleone

    don grahamleone Contributing Member

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    Come on Mills, say it
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    Do you sometimes wonder if the Rockets might retire Lin's jersey and that's the reason for Melo's holdup?
     
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    it's "their".

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    So what exactly are you trying to say then? Because it's certainly not obvious.
     
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    There's never autonomy. There's just a new regime, another press conference and more promises about a better tomorrow until the next regime has its press conference.

    Mills is talking rebuild, which is what fans and ownership love to hear. It also buys the new regime some time. Both Mills and Perry, according to a source, signed three year contracts with two year options. So rebuild away.

    As of late Monday, the Melo camp had not heard from Perry or Mills. It is Carmelo's understanding that the Knicks interrupted their trade talks with the Houston Rockets in order to introduce Perry and give him a few days on the job before they get back to work.

    Mills was talking about Anthony possibly returning next season, but from all indications, that would not be ideal for Melo. He's ready to leave.

    Good luck to Mills with trading Anthony, whose value was killed by Jackson, who was never as smart as he thought he was.

    This is a delicate issue for Mills and Perry, who both have made a career out of forging relationships with players. They don't want this to get messy, but more importantly, they can't accept a deal that places the Knicks in salary cap purgatory.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...s-prove-winner-not-survivor-article-1.3333502
     
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  20. DanTony!Toni!Tone!

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    He is saying that we are supposed to be mind readers to understand his posts. Sounds like someone with a bit too much of an ego.
     

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