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Russians have compromising Trump sex tape and financial info

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. A_3PO

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    Dems are doing exactly what Republicans would do if this trainwreck president was a Dem. "The shotgun approach...to see what sticks" with "no shame or credibility".

    Republicans would probably add that Trump was a compromised traitor who was buddies with an enemy of this country and the media was doing their best to cover it up.
     
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    He took it yuuuge.....he took it bigly baby!
     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    There is now evidence that has been corroborated that Trump made a deal with Russia to go easy on Ukraine incursions in exchange for releasing of the emails.

    The timing of the release also matches the timeline and actions of Trump advisor trips and firings.

    Trump is an idiot. He's going to get caught. The Republicans or whatever you want to call them on here need to stop attacking the "liberals" and start waking up to the fact that the President is a crook and a traitor. There needs to be an independent investigation by a non-partisan group and if their findings verify this....Trump not only should be impeached, he should be brought to trial and face charges of treason.
     
  4. Dei

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    Hardly. That's projection on your part.

    I feel like this is going to go the way of the Russian prostitute leak.
     
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  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Contributing Member
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    This is not a surprise coming from you.
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    What evidence? At least post your source.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Read the article posted above - that was my source. You need to keep up.

    But here's another one that is more detailed:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-ties-michael-flynn-dossier-2017-2

    When you look at the connections, the timelines, and the fact that there is captured russian conversation that also is evidence - it now seems we have a traitor as our president.

    So Space Ghost, are you a patriot, or are you so partisan that you blindly will follow a traitor??? I am guessing it's the later
     
  8. Space Ghost

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    That is enough for this conversation. Come back when its verified.

    And learn the definition of traitor.
     
  9. robbie380

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    But I had to stop reading at "....A dossier of unverified claims....."
     
  10. Deckard

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    I've said it before and I'm saying it again - Trump's "election" will eventually become a scandal to equal or surpass Watergate, and unlike many of you, I was a voter back then with a vivid memory of how things played out with Watergate. At first, Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein weren't believed by their own bosses at the Washington Post. Information came out in drips and drabs to the general public, who largely remained disbelieving for a very long time. (everyone should watch the superb flick starring Redford and Hoffman, which covers the gist of the scandal very well)

    Heck, my own father, who had a problem with something McGovern said, but was a life long Democrat (ordinarily), voted for Nixon in 1972. I argued with him all the way to the voting booths (I lived in another part of Houston, but still voted in the neighborhood of the family "castle" in Southeast Houston) that Nixon was a crook, that Watergate was true, and that Tricky Dick Nixon was going down. Some months after the election, when the truth exploded across the nation and Nixon was busy destroying himself politically, Dad apologized for not having listened to me. He was a high powered department chair at a major Houston university and could be quite intimidating. That moment is something I still savor, as other sons might appreciate.

    Wait and see. Trump will be lucky to finish his term in office. I don't think he will.
     
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  11. durvasa

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    It seems like the British spy who was hired to dig up dirt on Trump compiled a bunch of stuff, not all of which is equally credible.

    The article says some of that claims have been verified and some have been proven to not be factual. And the timelines match for a lot of the stuff still to be verified, but that in itself isn't proof that its true. Investigations continue, I assume.
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It's enough to warrant serious concern and demand people take the implications seriously. Instead you have the right pretending it's a left-wing fantasy.
     
  13. LosPollosHermanos

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  14. A_3PO

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    I think you may be right. Whether it lasts the full 4 years or not, Trump's term won't end well.

    He could be a lame duck in 2 years (or less).
     
  15. Amiga

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    Guess this can go here or in the Flynn's thread. Either way, this isn't surprising and many have openly joked/warned this WH of this very situation. Just imagine that --- withholding intel from the WH because the US intel do not trust the Trump WH.

    The Spy Revolt Against Trump Begins

    Intelligence Community pushes back against a White House it considers leaky, untruthful and penetrated by the Kremlin


    In a recent column, I explained how the still-forming Trump administration is already doing serious harm to America’s longstanding global intelligence partnerships. In particular, fears that the White House is too friendly to Moscow are causing close allies to curtail some of their espionage relationships with Washington—a development with grave implications for international security, particularly in the all-important realm of counterterrorism.

    Now those concerns are causing problems much closer to home—in fact, inside the Beltway itself. Our Intelligence Community is so worried by the unprecedented problems of the Trump administration—not only do senior officials possess troubling ties to the Kremlin, there are nagging questions about basic competence regarding Team Trump—that it is beginning to withhold intelligence from a White House which our spies do not trust.

    That the IC has ample grounds for concern is demonstrated by almost daily revelations of major problems inside the White House, a mere three weeks after the inauguration. The president has repeatedly gone out of his way to antagonize our spies, mocking them and demeaning their work, and Trump’s personal national security guru can’t seem to keep his story straight on vital issues.

    That’s Mike Flynn, the retired Army three-star general who now heads the National Security Council. Widely disliked in Washington for his brash personality and preference for conspiracy-theorizing over intelligence facts, Flynn was fired as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency for managerial incompetence and poor judgment—flaws he has brought to the far more powerful and political NSC.

    Flynn’s problems with the truth have been laid bare by the growing scandal about his dealings with Moscow. Strange ties to the Kremlin, including Vladimir Putin himself, have dogged Flynn since he left DIA, and concerns about his judgment have risen considerably since it was revealed that after the November 8 election, Flynn repeatedly called the Russian embassy in Washington to discuss the transition. The White House has denied that anything substantive came up in conversations between Flynn and Sergei Kislyak, the Russian ambassador.

    That was a lie, as confirmed by an extensively sourced bombshell report in TheWashington Post, which makes clear that Flynn grossly misrepresented his numerous conversations with Kislyak—which turn out to have happened before the election too, part of a regular dialogue with the Russian embassy. To call such an arrangement highly unusual in American politics would be very charitable.

    In particular, Flynn and Kislyak discussed the possible lifting of the sanctions President Obama placed on Russia and its intelligence services late last year in retaliation for the Kremlin’s meddling in our 2016 election. In public, Flynn repeatedly denied that any talk of sanctions occurred during his conversations with Russia’s ambassador. Worse, he apparently lied in private too, including to Vice President Mike Pence, who when this scandal broke last month publicly denied that Flynn conducted any sanctions talk with Kislyak. Pence and his staff are reported to be very upset with the national security adviser, who played the vice president for a fool.

    It’s debatable whether Flynn broke any laws by conducting unofficial diplomacy with Moscow, then lying about it, and he has now adopted the customary Beltway dodge about the affair, ditching his previous denials in favor of professing he has “no recollection of discussing sanctions,” adding that he “couldn’t be certain that the topic never came up.” That’s not good enough anymore, since the IC knows exactly what Flynn and Kislyak discussed.

    In pretty much every capital worldwide, embassies that provide sanctuary to hostile intelligence services are subject to counterintelligence surveillance, including monitoring phone calls. Our spy services conduct signals intelligence—SIGINT for short—against the Russian embassy in Washington, just as the Russians do against our embassy in Moscow. Ambassadors’ calls are always monitored: that’s how the SpyWar works, everywhere.

    Ambassador Kislyak surely knew his conversations with Flynn were being intercepted, and it’s incomprehensible that a career military intelligence officer who once headed a major intelligence agency didn’t realize the same. Whether Flynn is monumentally stupid or monumentally arrogant is the big question that hangs over this increasingly strange affair.

    Prominent Democrats in Congress are already calling for Flynn to be relieved over this scandal, which at best shows him to be dishonest about important issues. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, has bluntly askedfor the national security adviser’s ouster. Republicans on the Hill who would prefer that the White House stop lying to the public about its Kremlin links ought to get behind Schiff’s initiative before the scandal gets worse.

    In truth, it may already be too late. A new report by CNN indicates that important parts of the infamous spy dossier that professed to shed light on President Trump’s shady Moscow ties have been corroborated by communications intercepts. In other words, SIGINT strikes again, providing key evidence that backs up some of the claims made in that 35-page report compiled by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence official with extensive Russia experience.
     
  16. Amiga

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    part 2...


    As I’ve previously explained, that salacious dossier is raw intelligence, an explosive amalgam of fact and fantasy, including some disinformation planted by the Kremlin to obscure this already murky case. Now SIGINT confirms that some of the non-salacious parts of what Steele reported, in particular how senior Russian officials conspired to assist Trump in last year’s election, are substantially based in fact. This is bad news for the White House, which has already lashed out in angry panic, with Press Secretary Sean Spicer stating, “We continue to be disgusted by CNN’s fake news reporting.”

    That is hardly a denial, of course, and I can confirm from my friends still serving in the IC that the SIGINT, which corroborates some of the Steele dossier, is damning for the administration. Our spies have had enough of these shady Russian connections—and they are starting to push back.

    How things are heating up between the White House and the spooks is evidenced by a new report that the CIA has denied a security clearance to one of Flynn’s acolytes. Rob Townley, a former Marine intelligence officer selected to head up the NSC’s Africa desk, was denied a clearance to see Sensitive Compartmented Information (which is required to have access to SIGINT in particular). Why Townley’s SCI was turned down isn’t clear—it could be over personal problems or foreign ties—but the CIA’s stand has been privately denounced by the White House, which views this as a vendetta against Flynn. That the Townley SCI denial was reportedly endorsed by Mike Pompeo, the new CIA director selected by Trump himself, only adds to the pain.

    There is more consequential IC pushback happening, too. Our spies have never liked Trump’s lackadaisical attitude toward the President’s Daily Brief, the most sensitive of all IC documents, which the new commander-in-chief has received haphazardly. The president has frequently blown off the PDB altogether, tasking Flynn with condensing it into a one-page summary with no more than nine bullet-points. Some in the IC are relieved by this, but there are pervasive concerns that the president simply isn’t paying attention to intelligence.

    In light of this, and out of worries about the White House’s ability to keep secrets, some of our spy agencies have begun withholding intelligence from the Oval Office. Why risk your most sensitive information if the president may ignore it anyway? A senior National Security Agency official explained that NSA was systematically holding back some of the “good stuff” from the White House, in an unprecedented move. For decades, NSA has prepared special reports for the president’s eyes only, containing enormously sensitive intelligence. In the last three weeks, however, NSA has ceased doing this, fearing Trump and his staff cannot keep their best SIGINT secrets.

    Since NSA provides something like 80 percent of the actionable intelligence in our government, what’s being kept from the White House may be very significant indeed. However, such concerns are widely shared across the IC, and NSA doesn’t appear to be the only agency withholding intelligence from the administration out of security fears.

    What’s going on was explained lucidly by a senior Pentagon intelligence official, who stated that “since January 20, we’ve assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the SITROOM,” meaning the White House Situation Room, the 5,500 square-foot conference room in the West Wing where the president and his top staffers get intelligence briefings. “There’s not much the Russians don’t know at this point,” the official added in wry frustration.

    None of this has happened in Washington before. A White House with unsettling links to Moscow wasn’t something anybody in the Pentagon or the Intelligence Community even considered a possibility until a few months ago. Until Team Trump clarifies its strange relationship with the Kremlin, and starts working on its professional honesty, the IC will approach the administration with caution and concern.

    I previously warned the Trump administration not to go to war with the nation’s spies, and here’s why. This is a risky situation, particularly since President Trump is prone to creating crises foreign and domestic with his incautious tweets. In the event of a serious international crisis of the sort which eventually befalls almost every administration, the White House will need the best intelligence possible to prevent war, possibly even nuclear war. It may not get the information it needs in that hour of crisis, and for that it has nobody to blame but itself.

    John Schindler is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He’s published four books and is on Twitter at @20committee.
     
  17. MexAmercnMoose

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    this is some juicy stuff
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I presented the evidence, some of which is collaborated. You should read it before your dismiss it. Educate yourself. Stop supporting a traitor
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Aren't there some who say the CIA shot JFK, and his brother?

    Trump may have missed this conspiracy..and it is one he probably should not miss.

    DD
     
  20. durvasa

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    I have to say, taking a step back for a moment, the fact that this thread exists is pretty damn funny. This is just nuts.
     

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