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It must be nice to get paid 72 million for an internship on how to become an NFL quarterback.

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by deb4rockets, Oct 31, 2016.

  1. Shroopy2

    Shroopy2 Contributing Member

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    Yes any player needs fair adjustment time into a brand new system.

    PROBLEM with that is, the TEAM can't be starting out 2-6 / 3-5 and then have to play "catch up" to accommodate the QB's development. Actual JOBS get lost when that happens. (Thank GOODNESS that didn't happen and Texans are in bad division. But very well could have happened)

    Also ALL teams ALL players in the league get better as they go. So Osweiler has both internal improvement and overall league improvement to tend to. (Again yes thank GOODNESS for nicely timed bye week)

    Better LATE than NEVER though.
     
  2. LivinLikeLarry

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    Yeah I guess that's about right. So complicated not even the offensive coordinator can figure it out lol
     
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  3. deb4rockets

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    I agree with you on not seeing what is so complicated about it. I was just referring to what Bill and other sports commenters have used for the excuse of why it takes so long for the quarterback to learn a so called complicated offensive system.
     
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  4. Nick

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    The more complicated aspects involves QB's in charge of making reads pre-snap based on the defensive formation, having all recievers prepared to run a different route based literally on how close the defender is lining up to them, or whether or not the defense drops back in zone, and giving the QB power to adjust the protection at the line as needed (or audible to a run) if he feels the defense is showing blitz.

    That's a lot of variables already in play prior to the snap even happening. Then you have to rely on execution from the O-line to make their blocks, the receivers to run the correct route they're supposed to based on the defense, and of course... the QB has to select the most desirable receiver and make the throw on target, with some throws being assigned to a specific place/area... where then you rely on the receiver cutting the right direction based on the pre-snap read.

    Kubiak's system had elements of differential routes based on the defense... but for the most part, that system was predicated on the O-line executing the ZBS, and the QB consistently taking what the defense was giving via slants, outs, comeback routes, and the occasional play-action deep post.
     
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  6. LivinLikeLarry

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    I get what you're saying about the reads and all that. It really isn't the easiest offense to grasp. But Brock isn't Brady and BOB isn't Belichick, they shouldn't be trying to replicate them as such. Kubiak's system worked well enough because he had players that catered to his system. Foster was arguably the best running back for the zone blocking scheme that we've ever seen, and Owen Daniels was great at running play action routes once the run was established.

    Before the season myself and a lot of others were excited because we thought that Bill was getting players to fit his scheme. But so far we haven't seen much stretching the field from Fuller or Braxton, Hopkins timing has been off, and they are trying to use Lamar as a power back. If that was the plan, go get Demarco Murray instead of Lamar. This team's personnel has the potential to be a great spread offense, but the coaching staff isn't using them accordingly.
     
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  7. texian

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    How so? Nothing in there about O'Brien going to McNair with a picture of Brock in his hope chest.



    O'Brien's 2 musts for his QBs: 1) smart, 2) accurate passer. If you think Osweiler and his wonky delivery and demonstrated inaccuracy were at the top of O'Brien's list for A QB to develop here, I've got a bridge to sell you... at the intersection of 610 & 59.
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    Crap, wrong link. I forgot where I got it and where it was. Thanks for the heads up
     
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    the biggest question mark with him was his accuracy on a consistent basis and that's changed from a question mark to a period. He just isn't accurate enough to be a big time QB. I hope it's some fluke of him being new or unfamiliar with the o-line, but typically you have it or you don't . He doesn't even seem to be able to throw the ball consistently up in a general vicinity to allow the WR to make a play, which is a big reason why Nuk isn't putting up numbers.
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    If he can't read defense at year 5 I'm not sure he ever will
     
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  11. Nick

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    Who says he's not reading defenses?

    He could be reading them perfectly... and still plays aren't being executed for a number of other variables, including things that are under his direct control.
     
  12. Nook

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    Brock isn't even an average NFL QB. That isn't going to magically change. He has been in the NFL for 5 years and NEVER has performed at an exceptional level. Even in college he he had one solid year.

    We can all make excuses and qualifiers for his poor play; but the most likely reality is that Brock is not a good NFL QB.
     
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  13. Nick

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    Way to go out on a limb there... as this is the case with most NFL starting QB's nowadays (especially those highly drafted).

    He now has a full season worth of starts in 2 years. That is the sample size. Players have improved/contributed at this point in the history of this league... even right here in Houston.
     
  14. napalm06

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    Although it's not "our" (fans) money, the reason the money matters is because Brock would've already seen some bench time otherwise.
     
  15. Nick

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    Probably not against the Pats. Maybe against the Vikings. Maybe even against the Colts, however that probably stops them from winning that game. Doubtful against the Broncos.
     
  16. Nook

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    Brock is worse than the vast majority of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Could he improve? Sure he could, most likely marginally, but the overwhelming likelihood is that he is never even an average NFL starting QB.

    The sample size argument is tempered by the fact that he has been in the NFL for half a decade.
     
  17. napalm06

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    In hindsight, yes, but in general you (coach & fans) like to see what you have in your other up-and-coming QB when your #1 QB is playing historically badly.
     
  18. c1utchfan925

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    Give him a chance man, even Andrew Luck and Cam Newton took years to develop. We've only played 5-6 games, Let's wait a full season before we judge him as one of the worst QB's ever to wear a Texans uniform.
     
  19. c1utchfan925

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    Learning through teaching is completely different than application of knowledge. Brock can learn under Peyton or even Brady ( look how Mallet turned out), it won't make him play his position better until he can properly use that teaching in different pressured situations.

    We surprised teams in the beginning of the season because we were able to throw short effective passes to gain the small yards. One of the greatest strengths a QB can have is to keep moving the ball efficiently. Short accurate passes is what he needs to work on, Brock as more potential than Mallet or well at least he's giving himself the best shot possible to succeed.
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    He sucks and so does bill O'Brien
     

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