I think Harrison Barnes is overrated by many, but putting his teammate John Henson in front of him is insane IMO. Beal is also way too low. Can't wait for summer league.
His 2011 big board: 1. Kyrie Irving 2. Derrick Williams 3. Tristan Thompson 4. Jonas Valuncianas 5. Kawhi Leonard 6. Enes Kanter 7. Kemba Walker 8. Tobias Harris 9. Alec Burks 10. Jordan Hamilton 11. Bismack Biyombo 12. Brandon Knight 13. Tyler Honeycutt 14. Jon Leuer 15. Nikola Vucevic 16. Chris Singleton 17. Jan Vesely 18. Klay Thompson 19. Norris Cole 20. Iman Shumpert 21. Nikola Mirotic 22. Jimmer Fredette 23. Donatas Motiejunas 24. Greg Smith 25. Marcus Morris 26. JaJuan Johnson 27. Markieff Morris 28. Davis Bertans 29. Kenneth Faried 30. Jeremy Tyler 31. Jordan Williams 32. Bojan Bogdanovic 33. Darius Morris 34. Giorgi Shermadini 35. Reggie Jackson 36. Rick Jackson 37. Brad Wanamaker 38. Damian Saunders 39. Nolan Smith 40. Malcolm Thomas 41. Travis Leslie 42. Trey Thompkins 43. Malcolm Lee 44. Charles Jenkins 45. Cory Joseph 46. E’Twaun Moore 47. Josh Selby 48. Jacob Pullen 49. Justin Harper 50. Jimmy Butler 51. Matt Howard 52. Jamie Skeen 53. Jereme Richmond 54. Keith Benson 55. D.J. Kennedy 56. Marshon Brooks 57. Isaiah Thomas 58. Andrew Goudelouck 59. Lavoy Allen 60. Shelvin Mack
Hollinger should look into ADVANCED STATS and DEFENSE a lot more when doing his big board compilations. Seems kind of silly to rank basketball players almost strictly by their PER rating. I still like reading those PER projections though -- I can better see why Morey may be high on Teague. Others are also rumored to like him as a great late value pick… Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein :
Based on his last year, I think this thing is pretty legit. I mean you can't argue with the fact that his projections over the years for wings have mostly all been all-stars. This makes me want to research Dion Waiters now. Never seen him play. This makes me hope MKG slips to Cleveland, I want them to get a sure fire star.
Well... just checked out a highlight of Dion. This guy is a MAN among boys. It felt like I was watching a real NBA player. I never felt that way when I was watching Beal or Barnes. This guy is going to be a star. He has handles, athleticism and everything. Even the spin move to the basket Kyrie Irving has. He definitely will be a steal for whoever picks him.
Thank you for posting the article. It was a great read. I saw Waiters a couple of times this year in Syracuse this year and the image that sticks in my mind of the guy 3+ feet off the floor at full speed surrounded by bigs in the lane who are just watching him. Teammates and opponents alike. That kind of player, while exciting to watch, just scares me to death. Barnes - it is tough to tell about - when Marshal went down it did not look to me like he could create his own shot. But I only saw 3 games of his last season. I have gotten into several (volatile) discussions about point guards recently. I like Teague better than Lilliard and Marshal, an opinion that can be quite unpopular. Sully I think is ranked to high. He is Scola. Every time I watched him play I thought Scola.I can't figure out if he played better last year at 295 than he did this year at 270. Anyway thanks for the post again. I am going to read it again.
Hollinger put Damian Lillard at #18. I think his rater undervalues small school competition, and it shows in the way he undervalues Marshan Brooks last year. I do like Quincy Miller and Tony Wroten(they are Durant clone and Tyreke clone IMO), especially when they can be had in late first round like draftexpress predicted. Those 2 have allstar potentials and may only have the same bust potential as some of the top picks.
You must be talking about a different Durant. The only one I know is Kevin Durant, who averagred 26 ppg, 11 rpg, 2 spg, and 2 bpg on 47%/40%/81% as a freshman. And there's no way you would compare that to a guy who got 10 ppg, 5 rpg, .7 spg and .6 bpg on 44%/34%/81%. So, please, tell me about this other Durant you must be speaking about.
I'm talking about the size, handle&style. Obviously he's not Durant, otherwise he'll be the #1 pick. He's having a decent season off ACL injury, but has shown getting the athleticism back in the combine. He's a good value in late first round and ranked pretty high on Hollinger's rater.
I'm also high on Quincy Miller, Royce White and Tony Wroten, and they are currently listed as 20,23,31 on drafexpress mock draft. Trade both 14&16 down to get late first rounders and "buy back" the pick obligation from Newjersy. Use the remaining to pick Quincy Miller, Royce White and Tony Wroten. All three have star potential. I believe they are the best values in the entire draft if we can get them in 20's or later.
One more takeway from this: How ridiculously good Anthony Davis maybe. Here's from last year's draft rater edition: "The big man conundrum As I noted above, the Draft Rater has been really solid on perimeter players. On interior players, the results have been a bit more scattered. The problem has been "false positives." It has picked out all the guys who could play; it has just picked out a lot of other guys along with them. Top rated bigs, 2002-2011Player Rating Kevin Love 20.78 Michael Beasley 18.36 Greg Oden 17.69 Tyrus Thomas 17.25 Blake Griffin 17.14 Andrew Bogut 16.90 DeMarcus Cousins 16.86 Michael Sweetney 16.70 Tristan Thompson 16.21 Curtis Borchardt 16.01 Derrick Williams 15.97 Greg Monroe 15.77 Jared Jeffries 15.65 Chris Bosh 15.57 Derrick Favors 15.51 " Anthony Davis/ Kentucky/ 22.23 His model projects Davis to be significantly better than all those bigmen!
