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Beto for President

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Nov 6, 2018.

  1. Nook

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    He ran against one of the most powerful Republicans in the Senate. He ran against the man that was nearly the Republican Presidential nominee 18 months earlier.
     
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  2. DaDakota

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    People who live in glass houses and support Trump have no room to talk about Beto....

    It has already been established that folks don't care about teenage years, or inhaling or stupid poetry, but keep on grasping at straws, and surping from the crank of Trump.

    DD
     
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    Not sure why they didn't release the story. I don't think it would have been all that damaging especially in the Senate race. I do know why FoxNews buried the Stormy Daniels story however.

    However like the DUI and his name... I'm 110% sure this will be one of those never ending dumb scandals that creates some false equivalency. A few months ago during the Senate race, I was on a fishing trip with a couple Trumpers from here in Tx and one of them literally said "I could never vote for someone that abbreviates their name to sound Mexican".

    Oookkkayy.... if that's the way you make your political judgement more power to you. Or maybe its just that you are looking for any reason you can find to not vote for the guy to begin with.

    With some of these faux scandals, they are designed more as excuses for the folks that were never going to vote for him or any Dem to begin with. With the hacking one though, I can see how the sensationalized headlines can really really confuse people who aren't into you know... reading the actual story & just basing opinion on facebook news headlines.
     
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    LOL, a writer holding onto info that a teenager was a computer nerd and participated in a hackers web site is equally as bad as a news organization holding info that a presidential candidate payed off women to not disclose he had affairs with them?

    Its false equivalencies like this, because of partisan reasons, that make people question your judgment...
     
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    Are you people really talking about this story from when he was 15???
     
  6. Nook

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    First, being charismatic and relating to people is extremely important in a Presidential nominee if your party intends to actually win the General Election.

    How does he have a lackluster congressional career?

    He voted against his own party 7.5% of the time. For comparison purposes Pelosi broke with her party 5% of the time........ and she is the Speaker.

    I don't have an issue with someone that is a moderate and votes depending on the issues. Most of the time that Beto has voted with Trump it has concerned small business growth and privacy concerns.
     
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  7. Nook

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    You know who else was a billionaire? Hugo Chavez (before he died) and now his daughter (worth $4,000,000,000).

    How much money do you think Nicolas Maduro has?

    Bernie Sanders owns three homes, had pensions and a net worth in the millions. Using your criteria, does he have an interest for change?

    It is just silly all the way around. The only President without wealthy was Harry S. Truman and he was not liked by a large part of the voters.
     
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    I don't know how many poor people you know.

    I know a lot of poor people that work very long hours and very hard, often at physically intense jobs.
     
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  10. Nook

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    This coming from the party that elected a man that raw dogged a p*rn star while his wife was still healing from giving birth? That said "grab them by the p***y" on camera? From the man that stated he wanted Jew accountants and wouldn't let blacks touch his money? From a man that said he would be dating his daughter if they were not blood, and called her "hot piece of ass"? From a man that has been sanctioned for housing discrimination against black people? From a man that has filed numerous bankruptcies? From a man that hosted Wrestlemania? A man that made fun of a physically disabled man in front of a huge audience?

    So people should view a poem by Beto as disqualifying him.................. Okay.

    The problem is, Trump supporters cannot really criticize anyone else running for office, because their candidate has already done the same thing, only 10X as bad. So short of murder or rape (that's even questionable), there is nothing that can really stick against his opponent. The Trumpsters best point of attack is "socialism" as a slur, because the rest will fall flat.
     
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  11. DonnyMost

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    I cannot speak to whether or not this particular journalist would have burned his sources to publish such a scoop.

    Typically that is not a good career move.
     
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    Actually it isn't anywhere close to true.

    Low paying jobs are typically on the more physically demanding end. In addition, a worse paying job means you will have to work more/longer hours. So, even in a non-hyper demanding capacity, your time will be more apportioned to work. On top of that, being poor is extremely expensive in this country, so the overhead you are hit with makes advancement that much more difficult. Always remember, zero is a magnet.

    And if you think all poor people just have a drug problem or something, keep in mind that welfare drug testing shows that welfare recipients' drug usage rates are at-or-lower than the general public. Turns out drugs are mostly a luxury the poor cannot afford.
     
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    Have they worked hard in those difficult jobs for years, and still remained poor?

    I don't believe that you can work in a job, and put in a good effort at that job, and remain poor year after year--here in the US. That person will either advance where they work or get a better job.

    Now, might that person be treading water in the middle class, if they worked hard in those jobs year after year? Yes, that's entirely possible.

    But poor? No, not here in the US.

    So, perhaps I should have added something like "over the long term."
     
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    Couldn't be more false. There are plenty of poor people who don't work hard and there are plenty of rich people who don't work hard.

    There are a lot of poor people who work really tough jobs and never make any significant money. Hell, the vast majority of America is one bad situation away from being poor and they are just lucky that it doesn't happen.
     
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    Oh, I wouldn't deny that many/some poor people work (those who do work) difficult and demanding jobs.

    But of those who are "poor" -- how many work demanding and difficult jobs? Are they full time jobs? Do they keep those jobs all year? Year after year?

    When jobs are dangerous, difficult, and demanding, they are almost always decently compensated.

    Nor is the dysfunction always substance abuse or similar; there are many types of personal dysfunctions.

    Also, see my reply to Nook. I just don't believe that someone can work hard year after year and still be poor.

    Treading water in the middle class? Yes, that's possible.
     
  16. BruceAndre

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    I wouldn't deny it, but most millionaires are self made. Also, that's not the point I was making.

    When someone stays poor, year after year, here in America, there's some type of personal dysfunction going on. See my reply to Nook for elaboration.
     
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    So you think they should not honor their deal?

    They had an agreement in order to get the story. People outraged about this is either unaware of the agreement or think a deal should not be honored.
     
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    I like that on the one hand he doesn’t really have any “hard stances” as I lean towards pragmatism, on the other hand what does Beto stand for? I’m not a purist by any stretch, but I just get a phony vibe from him.

    It was a no brainer to vote against Cruz for me, but I felt like during the senate race he was essentially just reading off a well typed script.
     
  20. Nook

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    How do you define poor?

    I know Mexicans that worked 60 hours a week for decades with little pay increase because of their poor education.

    I had an uncle that worked 60+ hours a week as a master plumber for decades and never had much because he would sometimes help people that couldn't afford it. He owned his home, but it was in East Houston and it was in a horrible and poor part of town. He had a 5th grade education (was an orphan that ran away from sexual and physical abuse) and would spend hours a day helping his relatives. Arguably the best person I have ever known and certainly wasn't lazy. Still worked with stage 4 stomach cancer before he couldn't walk anymore.

    Do you think those Irish immigrants and Italian immigrants in the last 1890's - 1930's were lazy? They were certainly poor. Same with a lot of the Mexican immigrants the last 30-40 years.

    There are poor people that are lazy, but not all of them and I would argue not most of them. A lot of factors play into someone being poor. The USA is a very good country for upward mobility, I won't argue otherwise, but that still requires intelligence, luck and an education.
     
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