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Fire Bill O'Brien

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Sep 23, 2016.

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

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  2. No

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  3. Abstain (for the moment)

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  1. fallenphoenix

    fallenphoenix Contributing Member

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    we need to give coaching responsibilities to another coach
     
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  2. tmacfor35

    tmacfor35 Contributing Member

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    Won 4 of 5 division titles under OB.

    Just went 11-5.

    Yes the playoff loss was inexcusable, but when you have veterans not performing its more on the players.

    They are one good OC away from turning in to an elite team.

    I think Gaine will improve the team quickly this off-season.
     
  3. FLASH21

    FLASH21 Heart O' Champs

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    One smart OC.
    Five good OL.
    And two solid cover Corners away.
    :confused:
     
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  4. juanm34

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    So we’re at the 2yd line then.........:eek:
     
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  5. Mr. Clutch

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    Rb and te
     
  6. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    One average HC.
     
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  7. FLASH21

    FLASH21 Heart O' Champs

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    Not as pressing needs as the positions I mentioned.

    We still have Will Fuller and (being hopeful) a full season of Keke Coutee, next season. (Not to mention DT could return next season as well).

    Our TE position should be a bit better equipped with Jordan Thomas/Akins at the helm for a full season. We spent two quality picks on those two, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to step in and provide quality production.

    Having a prime RB would be great but the NFL has shown that you can find RB at any point in the draft, after the draft, and via FA.

    As usual, I'm being extremely optimistic about the players we currently have at those positions on our roster.

    2 1/2 sounds more like it. o_O
     
  8. Hey Now!

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    Look at (a much younger) D'Onta Foreman and how long it's taking him to get back in shape... It takes ~2 years to fully recover from an Achilles injury. I would guess, at some point, DT will likely retire.
     
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  9. FLASH21

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    Yeah, I'm definitely not putting many eggs (if any) into that basket.

    We need to be able to rely on Fuller and Coutee to improve and stay on the field more than anything.
     
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    Why do you take that idiot seriously? If you ever heard him on the radio, he talks like someone ACTING like he has insight.....he doesn't.
     
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  12. leroy

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    The division titles are nice since that's all we have. At what point do you realize that this is as good as it's going to get with this coaching staff? He is constantly out-coached. Even if they finally draft OL and work towards building something that shouldn't have been an issue in the first place (had they kept the players we already had), what evidence is there that they will be coached properly to perform? What evidence is there that, even if they do perform, the terrible game planning and in-game execution won't continue to bite the team in the ass? It was a nearly universal belief among Texans fans during the winning streak that it was mostly in spite of O'Brien. The lucky bounces and kicks happened to go our way. The entire season came down to a handful of plays that had they gone the other way, then we're not in the playoffs and the decision is (theoretically) simple. 2 games decided by a missed kick. Those go the other way and it's 9-7 at best and out of the playoffs. Another couple of games decided by questionable opposing coaching decisions. Now it's 8-8 or 7-9...not because the Texans did anything special but because the other teams did something wrong.

    I'm sure he had a hand in keeping the team together after the 0-3 start. But remember those 3 games? Unprepared to play in all 3. Lost at home to a terrible Giants team. Lost to Blaine Gabbert. There was no excuse to be in the hole in the first place.

    At some point, just getting there cannot be good enough anymore.
     
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  13. Mr. Clutch

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    Agreed, was just adding to the list. RBs arent that important but if we're going to run up the middle all the time maybe move on from Miller. The new TEs will need to learn how to block
     
  14. joeson332

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    Please no more quoting that Matt HAmmond idiot anymore. Dude's takes are f word stupid
     
  15. tmacfor35

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    At what point do we stop pointing fingers at the coach and blame the players?

    Is it Romeo's fault that his corners can't cover receivers? The Colts could have put up 40 plus on the Texans if they didn't step off the gas.

    Is it O'Brien's fault that his receivers didn't make the plays the team sorely needed. Watson threw two good deep balls on the first two drives and they were not caught.

    Is it the coaching when your QB is missing open throws. Watson had Griffin for a TD. He had Hopkins for a TD. Both missed throws. I love Watson and fully believe he along with Luck and Mahomes will be the poster boys of the league in a few years much like Brady and Rogers were.

    Lets look at the play calling. The Texans were aggressive. They took deep shots. They ran multiple offensive looks that they did not for most of the year.
    The QB and his receivers did not execute on offense. There was nothing wrong with the play calling whatsoever.

    If V Smith or Hopkins make a play, its a different game. If Watt doesn't jump off sides when the Texans had the Colts stopped on their side of the field, then maybe the Texans go down and score the first points and set the tone correctly. That was a player loss. No iffs or butts about it.

    The real issue with this team is personel.

    So whose fault is personel?

    ...........

    Bill O'Brien has his warts, but he isn't the reason they lost.

    Secondary, Mental Mistakes(Lining up off sides or trying to jump a count), Offensive Line, and QB.

    Duane Brown and AJ Boyue could be Texans right now if the front office did their job.

    Who lets a franchise tackle go for pennies on the dollar when they just found their franchise QB after experiencing David Carr?

    That is laughable.
     
  16. leroy

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    When it's the same mistakes and piss poor game planning week after week after week...season after season.

    Are you asking if it'd the Defensive Coordinator's fault that the defensive players aren't properly coached or put into positions to better utilize their strengths? Yes, there were many injuries. But, again, the game planning is not good enough.

    I don't disagree that the players were not ready to play yesterday. Who's in charge of that?

    Huh? Going for it on 4th down doesn't mean they were aggressive. The plays looked mostly the same to me, but I'm not a football coach. The fake end-arounds that no one ever falls for. The runs up the middle on 1st and 10. It all looked pretty much the same ti me. Who made the decision to continue to huddle with under 10 min to go in the 4th while down 2 td's?

    It was an organizational loss...from top to bottom. Mediocrity and just getting there being good enough for the front office and the coaching staff bleeds down to the players. Yes, plays were not made. How many times this season did Watt and/or Clowney cost points because they jumped a 3rd and short? It was a constant problem all season getting off the field on 3rd down. It's the coaches job to find a fix.

    The coach who put in his own personal GM would certainly carry a fair amount of fault for the personnel.


    He may not be the entire reason they lost but he's rarely the reason they win. It's a near universal opinion that he coaches not to lose. Many of the close games were close because of coaching.

    I get what you're saying. The players absolutely earned a fair share of the blame. But we're in the same position season after season. The talent is there. But the person in charge of getting the most out of that talent isn't doing so. There are glaring holes that have been holes for multiple seasons. When is it time to look at the coaching staff if it isn't after 5 seasons of nothing.

    Ok...not nothing. 3 division titles and 1 whopping playoff win over the All-Pro QB named Connor Cook.
     
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  17. tmacfor35

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    The Talent is not there.

    They are weak in the second and third most important position groups.

    There offensive line and corner position is quite possibly the worst in the league.

    They had control over two elite players in Duane Brown and AJ Boyue. Rick Smith and Bob McNair crapped the bed.
     
  18. leroy

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    Just curious...why do you think that BO'B didn't have a say in personnel decisions?
     
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  20. tmacfor35

    tmacfor35 Contributing Member

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    BoB had 33% of the pie.

    Now he has the majority as he is alligned with Gaine.
     

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