"The Wizards and Suns were exploring whether a deal could be made between the two teams that included Ariza, Oubre and Rivers late Friday night, league sources said. Memphis had been consulted too, sources said. Several other teams were already pushing the Suns to get back involved in a deal for Ariza, including the Lakers and Houston Rockets, league sources said."
I don't think that's what he's saying. Involved in a deal for Ariza i.e. once again helping the Lakers get Ariza so that we would get leftovers like KCP.
It would simply be too difficult to offer the Suns what they are looking for. They were about to get an expiring PG and a young wing that would equivocate to a mid-late 1st IMO. Consider Knight is the only contract we’d want to move in this deal, it would make a deal nearly impossible without Houston sending out 2 first, which is a hell no from me. Rather go offer a 1st for Oubre.
It was 1year why couldn't tilman bite the bullet and pay the man. Even Dan Gilbert decided to overpay to win a ring. It wasn't a long term contract like jr or tt. I mean we were so close to a tittle.
Exactly! Oubre with a lottery protected 1st and Chriss should hopefully be enough to get him. The Rockets will have Oubre's rights to match any contract that will be offered to him. I don't think Oubre will be offered anything more than 10M. He is young and talented.
Is he? I admit that I don't watch a lot of him but he's been a bad shooter his whole career. 32% 3pt shooter and only 26% from from the corners. Plus I'm not big on players (especially perimeter players) who average more turnovers than assists. He is a great finisher around the rim, so there's that. But I don't know how great an off-ball perimeter player who sucks at shooting can be in the NBA. I mean he even has a good shot selection (lower percentage of midrange jumpers than Harden) and he still scores inefficiently, so I don't think one can say he'd do better in our system. On the other end, his best defensive win-shares season isn't even as good as Ariza's worst defensive win-shares season with us. And his defensive box plus-minus score has never been a positive number. I'm just not high on Oubre.
He can play defense. He has youth on his side. Playing with a better team should help him increase his shooting percentages and his defensive numbers. No one wants Knight's contract anyway, so it's going to be hard to get Ariza in the first place.
Well Phoenix doesn’t want Knight back, but isn’t/shouldn’t the Wiz be considering busting up that team? Wall rumored trades? Beal rumored trades? Otto Porter rumored trades? Markief Morris rumored trades. Can’t we give someone 2 future 1st’s and 2nd’s and lets “Roll” Get a Morris and Kelly Oubre back. Think we would be set sending out non rotational guys like Melo/Chriss/MCW/Knight for rotational wings. It’s like the difference of playing with more than the required number of Bishops & Knight over having more Pawns. And I don’t mean Brandan Knights....lol.
would be a great addition. i agree with the first and chriss for him as fair value based on what the wizards already agreed to in principal with the grizzlies and suns which fell through. oubre (who will be known here as ombre based on how much clutchfans like to misspell players names) would bring MUCH needed athleticism and youth. he will get a friendly contract as a RFA, on a lesser deal than clint which is right where you estimated ($8-12M). he has grown as a scorer and would make a good 4th option after ego. one flaw from last season was relying to heavily on offense on our 3 guards. he still has room to grow as a defender but his youth and athleticism working under coach B is very promising that he can improve to being a +defender.
