Mancz finally replaced him until Jeff Allen went down. Crazy part is Kyle Allen (7th round C from Baylor) could be listed as the backup LG, RG, and C if Allen is out Thursday. Doesn't really matter what position it is, you can't have that many draft misses in the 2nd to mid-rounds and expect to field a good team. Braxton Miller, Tyler Ervin, Strong, Mumphery, XSF, Nix, Brennan Williams, Sam Montgomery, Trevardo Williams, DeVier Posey were all 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks that have amounted to nothing since 2012. And it's not like the guys that are gone went to play for other teams, they are straight out of the league.
Would you guys rather have a 8-8 team with same issues and go to the playoffs? Or just completely suck and fire everyone. Start fresh.
That's an easy one. Go 3-13 and blow it up. The good news is there are some pieces to build around with Watson, Hopkins, Martin, Fuller and Foreman on offense and Clowney, Merci, McKinney and maybe Kevin Johnson on defense. Get rid of the entire staff and front office (except Chris Olsen he's done a good job managing the cap). Cut Cushing, cut/trade Brown and you have an additional 15 million plus to spend in free agency to compensate for a lack of draft picks this offseason. Watt is a tough one. He's a hero post-Harvey but he may be done as a dominant player. Is he worth over 15million a year going forward? I doubt it. His contract is easy to get out of after this season. The rebuild/ retool may not be as painful as we think.
The defensive line has an abundance of talent yet couldn't get any pressure or stop anyone. Maybe it's Harvey.
Hell no. Going 3-13 or whatever just makes our traded picks that much more valuable (and painful). No reason you can't go 8-8 and still fire everyone.
Organizational issues? perhaps if the $100MM phony showed up once in a while instead of quitting Spoiler
The problem is 8-8 doesn't get everyone fired. McNair the eternal optimist will spin it in his head as a non losing season and keep Smith. McNair only fires people when the bottom falls out such as 2005 and 2013.
Spoiler: Regarding the OL... Duane Brown - Wade Smith - Chris Myers - Brandon Brooks - Derek Newton Ryan Harris - Andrew Gardner - Cody White - Ben Jones That was the offensive line in 2013, Kubiak's last season. 2014: Duane Brown - Ben Jones - Chris Myers - Brandon Brooks - Derek Newton Jeff Adams - Xavier Su'a-Filo - Tyson Clabo 2015: Duane Brown - Xavier Su'a-Filo - Ben Jones - Brandon Brooks - Derek Newton Kendall Lamm - Oday Aboushi - Greg Mancz - Chris Clark 2016: Duane Brown - Xavier Su'a-Filo - Greg Mancz - Jeff Allen - Chris Clark Kendall Lamm - Oday Aboushi - Tony Bergstrom - Derek Newton 2017: Kendall Lamm - Xavier Su'a-Filo - Nick Martin - Jeff Allen - Breno Giacomini Julien Davenport - Greg Mancz - Kyle Fuller - Chris Clark Derek Newton(PUP) - Duane Brown(DNR) Duane Brown is holding out Wade Smith left as a free agent in 2014(signed with SEA & PHI before retiring in 2015) Chris Myers was released in March 2015 & retired 5 months later Brandon Brooks left as a free agent in 2016(signed 5 yrs, $40M with PHI) Derek Newton suffered a devastating injury & is currently recovering Ryan Harris left as a free agent in 2014(stints with KC, DEN & PIT before retiring earlier this year) Andrew Gardner left as a free agent in 2014(stints with PHI & SF; is currently a free agent) Cody White was released in 2015(hasn't resurfaced anywhere since) Ben Jones left as a free agent in 2016(signed 4 yrs, $17.5M with TEN) Jeff Adams left as a free agent in 2016(signed with NYJ; currently a free agent) Tyson Clabo was released in 2015(hasn't resurfaced anywhere since) Oday Aboushi left as a free agent in 2017(signed with SEA) Tony Bergstrom was released in 2017(signed with ARI; traded to BAL for 7th round pick) In the past five drafts, (6)linemen drafted: 2013(2): 3-89 Brennan Williams; 6-176 David Quessenberry 2014(1): 2-33 Xavier Su'a-Filo 2015(0) 2016(1): 2-50 C Nick Martin 2017(2): 4-130 OT Julien Davenport; 7-243 C Kyle Fuller 5.6.14: Signed UDFAs T Matt Feiler, C/G James Ferentz, G Kevin Forsch, T Chris Martin, T Bryan Witzmann 5.21.14: Claimed G/C Conor Boffeli & T Anthony Dima off waivers 6.18.14: Signed T Will Yeatman 7.21.14: Waived T Brennan Williams 7.25.14: Signed T Tyson Clabo 8.31.14: Claimed T Jeff Adams off waivers 12.30.14: Signed T Matt Feiler & G/C James Ferentz to future contracts 3.4.15: Released C Chris Myers 3.9.15: Re-signed T Derek Newton 5.8.15: Signed UDFAs G Jake Cotton, T Kendall Lamm, C Greg Mancz, G Chad Slade 5.11.15: Signed UDFA T Joseph Treadwell 5.11.15: Waived G Jake Cotton 5.21.15: Waived T Tyson Clabo 7.31.15: Released T Will Yeatman 8.31.15: Traded a 7th round pick for T Chris Clark 9.1.15: Waived G Cody White & T Bryan Witzmann 9.1.15: Placed David Quessenberry on R/NFI 9.5.15: Waived T Matt Feiler, C/G James Ferentz & T Joseph Treadwell 9.5.15: Placed Clahd Slade on IR 9.17.15: Claimed G Oday Aboushi off waivers 9.26.15: Placed Jeff Adams on IR 11.3.15: Signed C Eric Kush 11.3.15: Placed Greg Mancz on IR 11.15.15: Waived C Eric Kush 1.5.16: Placed Duane Brown on IR 1.5.16: Signed T Andrew McDonald 1.11.16: Signed G Karim Barton to a future contract 3.7.16: Signed T Jeff Adams to a contract extension 3.10.16: Signed G Jeff Allen & C Tony Bergstrom 3.10.16: Re-signed T Chris Clark 5.6.16: Signed UDFA T Arturo Uzdavinis 8.30.16: Placed Nick Martin on IR 8.30.16: Waived T Arturo Uzdavinis & T Matt Pierson 9.3.16: Waived C Dalton Freeman, T Jeff Adams, G Karim Barton, T Andrew McDonald & G Chad Slade 10.26.16: Signed T Jeff Adams 10.26.16: Placed T Derek Newton on IR 11.7.16: Waived T Jeff Adams 11.8.16: Signed G Josh Walker 1.16.17: Signed T Laurence Gibson & G Chad Slade to future contracts 4.13.17: Released C Tony Bergstrom 5.12.17: Placed Derek Newton on R/PUP 5.12.17: Signed UDFAs T Dimitric Camiel & G Jake Simonich 5.16.17: Signed T Breno Giacomini 5.16.17: Waived T Dimitric Camiel 6.9.17: Waived G Jake Simonich 6.917: Signed C Erik Austell 8.7.17: Claimed T Terry Poole off waivers 8.8.17: Waived T Terry Poole 9.2.17: Waived C Erik Austell, T Laurence Gibson, G David Quessenberry, G Chad Slade & G Josh Walker tl;dr: Had Chris Myers at C; let him go & replaced with Ben Jones Let Ben Jones walk & replaced with Nick Martin/Greg Mancz Had Brandon Brooks; replaced him with Jeff Allen(FAIL) No real plan at OT; couldn't prevent an injury to Newton (but some might say Newton wasn't that great to begin with) & Duane Brown is obviously holding out Let Wade Smith, Chris Myers, Brandon Brooks, Ryan Harris, Andrew Gardner, Cody White, Ben Jones, Jeff Adams, Tyson Clabo, Oday Aboushi & Tony Bergstrom walk. Replaced them with Kendall Lamm(UDFA), Xavier Su'a-Filo(2nd), Nick Martin(2nd), Jeff Allen(FA), Breno Giacomini(FA), Julien Davenport(4th), Greg Mancz(UDFA), Kyle Fuller(7th) & Chris Clark(trade).
Not only did Smith survive 2013, he got an extension after missing the playoffs and the goose egg wild card game the following 2 seasons.
I agree with you about 610 and their Texans propoganda. I stopped listening to 790 after they dropped Charlie Pallilo for the warthog Josh Innes. Anyone with a brain stem could see there were issues with the OL - anyone but the Texans coaching and scouting staffs that is. Now they are staring at an 0-3 hole to start off the season and are following in Indy's footsteps to get their young QB seriously hurt because they were too stupid to build up the OL.
Josh Innes is turrible on anything except baseball. My commute I listen to Spanish music. Its good for the soul.
Wow, that's insane. I barely recognize anyone from that garbage heap. 15 years of suffering and the beat goes on.....
I have worried about the state of their offensive line for several years. What told me we might be in for a long year was how dominant the Saints D was in the third preseason game against the Texans. Minnesota is rag dolling them tonight.
610 am was saying today foreman will be fresh for cincy, that not knowing who will start at qb is a good thing since it keeps opponents guessing. These guys are comedy gold
