Do you think the Texans fans' not wanting another Carr in Houston was a huge mistake?

Eh, not really.. I guess 3 picks. But I think Watson is better than Goff. Honestly the fans will hate the Texans moves at QB until one finally shows they are capable of winning. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

Believe me, I wasn't knocking your original post... I felt the EXACT same way about Brock. I'm sure there are posts on here of me saying "at least we didn't give up all the draft capital that LA did!" Fast forward 12 months later and we've given up (almost) that much draft capital and spent (almost) that much money. Obvious in hindsight... but damn.

 

I haven't read all the comments from the beginning of this thread. Sorry if I'm repeating
what has been said.

The lasting memory of David Carr did play into the decision of passing on Derek Carr; but the
knock on Derek Carr was if you apply a little pressure up the middle (of O-line)....Derek will
make costly mistakes (while in college).

It was noted in several college games (believe UCLA followed by bowl game w/USC).

Raiders overcame that by building one of the better O-lines in the NFL. After Meyers
retired (former Texans center) the Texans have struggled at center. Ben Jones did a fair
job only prior to leaving for our division rival.

Rick Smith knows nothing about offensive lines. Carr may not be the same player he is now.

 

No doubt they should have drafted Carr. The memories of his brother were clearly a factor in not drafting him, but that was a mistake.

 

Rick Smith is not responsible for not drafting Derek Carr; Bob McNair is. He did not want Derek because of his experience with David and the Carr family. Specifically, Carr's Dad. Overbearing, always at practice. David did not put in the work. McNair also thought the fans wouldn't accept another Carr.

 

No I wasn't saying it was on Rick Smith for not drafting Derek Carr. I was saying Rick Smith doesn't do well with
offensive linemen to protect QB's. Su'a Filo, Brennan Williams (Quessenberry gets a pass)

Rick Smith hasn't been too good with Free agency at that position unit recently: Bregstrom & Jeff Allen.

Bob McNair and his son are involved in personnel moves....that is understood. You still have to protect
that young investment known as Derek Carr. David Carr was sacked something like 75 times his rookie
year. Developed bad habits. Couldn't afford a repeat with the same Carr family in the same organization.

 

Huge mistake by McNair and Rick.

Yes Rodger Carr was a helicopter parent. Yes David was at best a 9-to-5 QB. And contrary to what David has since said, the Carrs did not want Derek in Houston.

Everybody knew Derek was different from David... different personality, different player. And Derek grew up at NRG. No team knew a prospect better than the Texans knew Derek. And Derek is, ironically, exactly the kind of person McNair wants to put forward as a Texans player. Heck, he wants to be a pastor after his football career is over.

Just think how different this team's fortunes would've been had we added a QB in the second round in 2014.

 

According to profootball-reference.com

Texans: 2016/17: Osweiler 27 (times sacked).......32 (total sacks allowed by Texans)
.............2015/16: Hoyer 25 (times sacked)............25 (total sacks allowed by Texans)
.............2014/15: Fitzpatrick 21 (times sacked).....26 (total sacks allowed by Texans)...BO'B worked hard w/D Newton
.............2013/14: Schaub 21 (times sacked)...........42 (total sacks allowed by Texans)

Raiders: 2016/17: Carr 16 (times sacked).............18 (total sacks allowed by Raiders)
..............2015/16: Carr 31 (times sacked)..............33 (total sacks allowed by Raiders)
..............2014/15: Carr 24 (times sacked)..............24 (total sacks allowed by Raiders) Rookie Year

If you give any QB time to throw the ball they tend to make better decisions. So in retrospect, yes drafting
Derek Carr might have been the better move (Monday morning quarterbacking); but a good O-Line goes
a long way to improving your team's chances of running and passing. Dak with the Cowboys is a good
example of a rookie having a positive stint with consistency. This is why I wanted the Texans to go after
Ramczyk or Garrett Bolles with possibly Davenport in later rounds instead of Watson....draft the QB next year.

 

LOL...always next year on a QB, right? This years' draft SUCKED for Oline high in the draft. You don't force a pick. The Oline had injuries and underperformance last season.......allowing 32 sacks is in the top half of the league. The reason they didnt draft a QB that year was because they picked a guard. There is no assurance of success draft a lineman high in the draft. Rams just traded the 3rd of overall pick in the 2014 (LT) for a 6 rounder because he SUCKED.

 

I would of course like to have a quality NFL starting quarterback and David Carr more than fits that bill.

That said, I feel he's a wee bit overrated. He seems to have played well this past year in the 4th quarter... which isn't a knock... but he's really needed to, because he wasn't amazing the first 3 quarters. Good that he turned it up when needed, though.

 

OBrien didn't want to deal with a rookie QB.

He wanted his new england guys.

 

That's wrong.

He personally scouted every single QB in that draft... except Derek who was off the board. Liked Jimmy G and Tom and even Bortles, but not at #1.

 

The quarterback class this year sucked worse. Every team has a year to wait. Team in New England is better
this year than last and they are going to kick everyone's behind.

Ramczyk or Bolles would have a year to learn the speed of the NFL. D Brown could be moved to right tackle the
following year. I know the sacks were similar to the Raiders after 2014....but in 2013/14, 42 sacks could have turned
for the worse in 2014/15. Derek Newton was god awful in 2013/14. BO'B came in and worked hard with Newton
trying to keep him down instead of getting so upright and forklifted all the way to the QB. They used a metal
frame that prevented the players from standing upright. They also worked on his footwork. If not for BO'B
you may be talking about Carr being sacked 50 times in 2014/15.

Xavier Su'a Filo was a rookie in 14/15 and sucked. Ben Jones didn't look so good as a sub. Carr may have been
killed. Developing bad habits. Nice discussion though.

 

@texian

Here is walterfootball.com on Derek Carr as he was coming out saying he had anxiety issues with pressure.
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014dcarr.php


Here is another scouting report of Derek coming out. Read on section about Pocket Awareness (6th paragraph).
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/4/14/5614326/derek-carr-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report

I'm sure the Texans had reservations of Carr getting killed from both Left Guard and Right Tackle spots.

 

Ok he liked them but you gotta pick them. Why not Jimmy at #2?

 

Yeah it was, but they made up for it.

 

If little Carr junior was to be a Texans, the Texans would have been cursed. We would be seeing our QB getting sacks like never before.

 

No, the Texans had reservations about things related to his brother and his family.

You hire a QB centric head coach and you don't let him make the decision on a top 50 QB?

And as to the scouting reports, Carr is now the highest paid player in the league.

Ask Rick. He runs the draft. He's the one who made that decision.

 

if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle

 

Quite possible O'Brien liked XSF more