1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Texans Off Season Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Jan 16, 2017.

  1. Angkor Wat

    Angkor Wat Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    13,148
    Likes Received:
    978
    the x-man beverine is the x factor!!
     
  2. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    30,950
    Likes Received:
    14,472
  3. HR Dept

    HR Dept Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2012
    Messages:
    6,792
    Likes Received:
    1,223
    I've been teetering back and forth between Deshaun and DeShone, but now I'm leaning towards Deshaun. I think he's going to prove a lot of people wrong.
     
  4. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,208
    Likes Received:
    155,830
    Todd McShay's top prospects by position

    With the 2017 NFL draft less than two weeks away, let's take another look at the top 10 prospects at every position.

    Note: Underclassmen are marked with an asterisk.

    Quarterbacks
    1. Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina* (Grade: 89)
    2. Deshaun Watson, Clemson* (88)
    3. Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech* (84)
    4. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame* (83)
    5. Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee (79)
    6. Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh (77)
    7. Davis Webb, California (70)
    8. Brad Kaaya, Miami (Fla.)* (69)
    9. C.J. Beathard, Iowa (59)
    10. Alek Torgersen, Penn (35)

    Dobbs lands in my top five QBs for the first time. He has excellent intangibles and intriguing physical tools as a dual-threat QB. His Senior Bowl performance, under the tutelage of Browns head coach Hue Jackson, was promising, but Dobbs is still very much a project as a passer and needs the right coaching/scheme to realize his potential.

    Running backs
    1. Leonard Fournette, LSU* (Grade: 92)
    2. Christian McCaffrey, Stanford* (91)
    3. Dalvin Cook, Florida State* (90)
    4. Joe Mixon, Oklahoma* (85)
    5. Alvin Kamara, Tennessee* (82)
    6. Samaje Perine, Oklahoma* (77)
    7. D'Onta Foreman, Texas* (75)
    8. James Conner, Pittsburgh* (68)
    9. Kareem Hunt, Toledo (66)
    10. Jeremy McNichols, Boise State* (65)

    McCaffrey and Cook are going in opposite directions. McCaffrey's versatility -- he's one of the most polished receiving RBs I've ever studied -- has him moving up boards, while concerns over who Cook surrounds himself with has him dropping a bit.

    Wide receivers
    1. Mike Williams, Clemson* (Grade: 91)
    2. John Ross, Washington* (90)
    3. Corey Davis, Western Michigan (90)
    4. Zay Jones, East Carolina (87)
    5. Curtis Samuel, Ohio State* (86)
    6. JuJu Smith-Schuster, USC* (82)
    7. Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington (79)
    8. Carlos Henderson, Louisiana Tech* (77)
    9. Chris Godwin, Penn State* (76)
    10. Taywan Taylor, Western Kentucky (75)

    Williams' elite ball skills are what separate him from the pack. He uses every inch of his 6-foot-8 wingspan to his advantage. Jones could sneak into the bottom of the first round. His performance at the Senior Bowl really boosted his stock.

    Tight ends
    1. O.J. Howard, Alabama (Grade: 92)
    2. David Njoku, Miami (Fla.)* (90)
    3. Evan Engram, Mississippi (87)
    4. Adam Shaheen, Ashland* (80)
    5. Gerald Everett, South Alabama (79)
    6. Jake Butt, Michigan (77)
    7. Jordan Leggett, Clemson (76)
    8. Bucky Hodges, Virginia Tech* (75)
    9. Cole Hikutini, Louisville (70)
    10. George Kittle, Iowa (67)

    You won't mistake Engram for a traditional tight end -- he's not much of a blocker -- but at 6-foot-3 and 234 pounds, he's very much in the mold of Redskins TE Jordan Reed. He ran an incredible 4.42 40 at the combine and is a big play waiting to happen.

    Offensive tackles
    1. Garett Bolles, Utah* (Grade: 90)
    2. Cam Robinson, Alabama* (88)
    3. Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin* (88)
    4. Taylor Moton, Western Michigan (79)
    5. Antonio Garcia, Troy (78)
    6. Jermaine Eluemunor, Texas A&M (72)
    7. Zach Banner, USC (70)
    8. Will Holden, Vanderbilt (69)
    9. Roderick Johnson, Florida State* (65)
    10. Julien Davenport, Bucknell (64)

    There's a bit of a drop-off after the top three offensive tackles, all of whom have a chance to go in Round 1. Moton is intriguing because of his great experience (52 starts) and his ability to play multiple positions up front.

    Guards
    1. Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky (Grade: 90)
    2. Dion Dawkins, Temple (83)
    3. Dan Feeney, Indiana (80)
    4. Dorian Johnson, Pittsburgh (78)
    5. Nico Siragusa, San Diego State (71)
    6. Isaac Asiata, Utah (60)
    7. Adam Bisnowaty, Pittsburgh (59)
    8. Damien Mama, USC* (56)
    9. David Sharpe, Florida* (52)
    10. Ben Braden, Michigan (51)

    Dawkins has the necessary length (35-inch arms) to potentially play tackle, but he lined up at guard during Senior Bowl practices, and that might end up being his best fit in the NFL.

    Centers
    1. Pat Elflein, Ohio State (Grade: 75)
    2. Ethan Pocic, LSU (72)
    3. Jon Toth, Kentucky (61)
    4. Tyler Orlosky, West Virginia (60)
    5. Chase Roullier, Wyoming (51)
    6. Kyle Fuller, Baylor (50)
    7. Sean Harlow, Oregon State (45)
    8. J.J. Dielman, Utah (40)
    9. Cameron Tom, Southern Miss (39)
    10. Daniel Brunskill, San Diego State (31)

    Toth was a four-year starter at Kentucky who had a reputation for being a film rat. He has the intelligence, toughness and leadership qualities that are coveted at the position. Toth will have to rely on proper technique to mask his lack of ideal athleticism.

    Defensive ends
    1. Myles Garrett, Texas A&M* (Grade: 95)
    2. Derek Barnett, Tennessee* (91)
    3. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA (90)
    4. Taco Charlton, Michigan (88)
    5. Jordan Willis, Kansas State (81)
    6. DeMarcus Walker, Florida State (79)
    7. Carl Lawson, Auburn* (76)
    8. Daeshon Hall, Texas A&M (74)
    9. Tanoh Kpassagnon, Villanova (73)
    10. Tarell Basham, Ohio (72)

    Garrett is the clear-cut No. 1 overall player in this class but don't forget about McKinley. He has a ton of upside because of his raw athleticism (4.59 40 at 259 pounds) and how hard he plays. If McKinley figures out how to use his hands as a pass-rusher, watch out.

    Defensive tackles
    1. Jonathan Allen, Alabama (Grade: 93)
    2. Solomon Thomas, Stanford* (92)
    3. Malik McDowell, Michigan State* (89)
    4. Caleb Brantley, Florida* (82)
    5. Chris Wormley, Michigan (81)
    6. Larry Ogunjobi, Charlotte (79)
    7. Carlos Watkins, Clemson (78)
    8. Dalvin Tomlinson, Alabama (77)
    9. Jaleel Johnson, Iowa (76)
    10. Montravius Adams, Auburn (75)

    McDowell's success in the NFL could very much hinge on the type of team he goes to. He showed inconsistent effort in his final season at Michigan State, but he has loads of athletic upside. If he lands with a coaching staff that can coax the best out of him, McDowell has a chance to be a really good player.

    Inside linebackers
    1. Reuben Foster, Alabama (Grade: 92)
    2. Haason Reddick, Temple (90)
    3. Jarrad Davis, Florida (89)
    4. Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt* (82)
    5. Duke Riley, LSU (78)
    6. Alex Anzalone, Florida* (77)
    7. Raekwon McMillan, Ohio State* (76)
    8. Kendell Beckwith, LSU (75)
    9. Anthony Walker, Northwestern* (69)
    10. Blair Brown, Ohio (68)

    Reddick, once thought of as a Day 2 prospect, now has a chance to be a top-15 pick after taking full advantage of the pre-draft process. He looks like a three-down linebacker in the NFL, thanks to his athleticism. The same applies for Cunningham: He has the speed to cover in space and get sideline to sideline versus the run.

    Outside linebackers
    1. Charles Harris, Missouri* (Grade: 89)
    2. T.J. Watt, Wisconsin* (88)
    3. Tyus Bowser, Houston (86)
    4. Ryan Anderson, Alabama (81)
    5. Tim Williams, Alabama (80)
    6. Derek Rivers, Youngstown (77)
    7. Vince Biegel, Wisconsin (65)
    8. Josh Carraway, TCU (59)
    9. Carroll Phillips, Illinois (57)
    10. Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Tennessee (51)

    Bowser turned heads at the combine, finishing in the top five among linebackers in vertical and broad jumps, along with the 40-yard dash and three-cone drill. His explosive traits give him upside as an edge rusher.

    Cornerbacks
    1. Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State* (Grade: 92)
    2. Gareon Conley, Ohio State* (90)
    3. Kevin King, Washington (90)
    4. Marlon Humphrey, Alabama* (89)
    5. Adoree' Jackson, USC* (88)
    6. Quincy Wilson, Florida* (88)
    7. Tre'Davious White, LSU (87)
    8. Jourdan Lewis, Michigan (87)
    9. Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado (83)
    10. Teez Tabor, Florida* (79)

    Conley and King have both seen their stocks rise after the combine. Conley shows excellent ball skills on tape and he ran a 4.44 40 in Indianapolis, and King checked in at 6-foot-3 and ran a really good 40 time for that size (4.43).

    Safeties
    1. Jamal Adams, LSU* (Grade: 93)
    2. Malik Hooker, Ohio State* (92)
    3. Marcus Maye, Florida (87)
    4. Josh Jones, NC State* (86)
    5. Budda Baker, Washington* (86)
    6. Obi Melifonwu, Connecticut (85)
    7. Jabrill Peppers, Michigan* (85)
    8. Marcus Williams, Utah* (83)
    9. Justin Evans, Texas A&M (77)
    10. John Johnson, Boston College (69)

    Adams and Hooker both have a shot to go in the top seven overall picks. Baker is likely a Day 2 pick, but he's a really good football player. Besides being undersized (5-9⅝, 195 pounds), he has few weaknesses.​
     
    Rudyc281 likes this.
  5. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    48,406
    Likes Received:
    51,848
    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...agles-browns-49ers/1sh4s33hm8jln1aj1kfmu5ijpd
     
  6. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,208
    Likes Received:
    155,830
    Best fits for 2017 QB class

    Trubisky: Buffalo
    Watson: NY Jets
    Kizer: Washington, Cleveland
    Mahomes: LA Chargers
    Webb: Arizona
    Kelly: Miami, Chicago
     
  7. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,208
    Likes Received:
    155,830
    Tom Savage on working with QB coach Sean Ryan: "It's going to be a fun room. It's going to be a peaceful room."

    Tom Savage: 'I've played two games. I have a lot to prove. This is a heck of an opportunity.'

    Tom Savage: 'I'm going to go out there and play for everyone in that locker room and everybody that believes in me.'

    Tom Savage: " ... to Texans fans, don't doubt the guys in that locker room." Said team, offense will be fun to watch.

    Tom Savage on durability: 'Hopefully, this is the last time we talk about the injuries. A lot of them can be avoided with experience.'

    Tom Savage: 'I'm not Michael Vick. I shouldn't be rolling around trying to make a play.'

    Tom Savage: 'I'm very confident that I'll be available.'

    Tom Savage: 'Just being in this system, this is my fourth year, it's going to be fun.'

    Tom Savage: 'I'll never expect to be the starter.' Said he'll prepare as if he's the third-stringer trying to make the team.

    Tom Savage on Texans coach Bill O'Brien: 'I love the guy. He's hard on you. That's what I want. I want to be coached'

    Tom Savage: 'I bounced around a lot in college. I think that journey made me who I am'

    Tom Savage on J.J. Watt return: 'Just protect the ball, because he's going to get it back for you.'

    David Quessenberry said Bill O'Brien recognized him today in team meeting, showed video of him ringing the bell.

    David Quessenberry said he's lighter than his old playing weight, working to regain strength and bulk

    J.J. Watt: 'It felt really good. It's so nice to be back in meetings, back in the swing of things.'

    J.J. Watt on progress: 'My body feels really good. I'm looking forward to getting back to playing football. I can't wait.'

    J.J. Watt on watching Jadeveon Clowney: 'It was good, lot of fun to watch, he played very well.'

    J.J. Watt on Rockets' Patrick Beverley: 'Pat's the man. The guy was absolutely killing it. His intensity is the best.'

    J.J. Watt on Patrick Beverley staring him down at Rockets game, (smiling) said his girlfriend said it was cool and awkward. Laughed

    J.J. Watt called Patrick Beverley "The Wolverine.'

    J.J. Watt: 'I've had time for the passion to grow. I've learned a lot that I need to not get overly crazy in the offseason.'

    J.J. Watt on T.J. Watt: 'He's so similar to me. He's farther along than me at that time. He's a really special player.'

    Watt says he's done a lot of research on how to work out after injury and not put himself at risk again.

    Watt says he'll probably work with coaches to put a plan into place to limit his reps. Says it comes down to not overdoing it in workouts.

    J.J. Watt: 'You can never fake confidence. You can't BS yourself.'

    DeAndre Hopkins on his contract if anything's new: 'Not that I know of. '

    DeAndre Hopkins on Tom Savage: 'What I don't like I went to his house last week and he didn't have Blue Moon.' Draws laughter

    DeAndre Hopkins on Tom Savage: 'The kid is a go-getter. He doesn't quit. He hustled. He was out there being a leader.'

    DeAndre Hopkins on Bill O'Brien defending how he played last season: 'A down season? It's a team sport. I did my job.'

    DeAndre Hopkins on Tom Savage: 'He throws a good ball. He knows this offense. He knows where to put the ball where it needs to be.'

    DeAndre Hopkins: 'I try to follow the Jerry Rice (offseason) routine. I do hills.'

    Hopkins "As long as we win, I don't care whose name is on the back of his jersey."

    Hopkins on keeping up with draft: I asked Andre (Johnson) if he followed the draft. He said no, so I don't follow the draft either.

    DeAndre Hopkins on Deshaun Watson visiting: 'I'm a Clemson guy, so I'm a little biased. Wherever he goes, he'll do fine.'

    DeAndre Hopkins asked about Deshaun Watson visit, said they haven't spoke, but: 'I'm pretty sure he would like to throw me the football.'
     
    #1747 J.R., Apr 17, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2017
    donkeypunch likes this.
  8. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    48,406
    Likes Received:
    51,848


    Pretty much guarantees it :p
     
    Fulgore likes this.
  9. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    48,406
    Likes Received:
    51,848
    Peaceful room comment is curious
     
    texans1095 likes this.
  10. Fullcourt

    Fullcourt Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2007
    Messages:
    7,307
    Likes Received:
    2,682
    Guess we don't have to worry about OB getting physical with Savage :D
     
  11. Fantasma Negro

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2011
    Messages:
    12,584
    Likes Received:
    10,853
    His body language gives me zero confidence in him
     
  12. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,158
    Likes Received:
    4,812
    Body language is probably behind on "fiery" on the list of must-have QB qualifications. Glad you sniffed this out so early; I can make other plans this fall.
     
    Fullcourt and texans1095 like this.
  13. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,158
    Likes Received:
    4,812
    Thought the same thing; I wonder who was being disruptive? Brock? Godsey? BOB yelling at Brock and/or Godsey?
     
  14. Fantasma Negro

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2011
    Messages:
    12,584
    Likes Received:
    10,853
    No problem, cross your fingers that they draft that Patrick fella
     
    texans1095 likes this.
  15. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    63,393
    Likes Received:
    26,012
    I won't have any confidence in him till he finally throws for his first TD of his NFL career.
     
    Nook and Fullcourt like this.
  16. kevC

    kevC Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2007
    Messages:
    7,394
    Likes Received:
    5,117
    Kind of disrespectful of Hopkins to call Savage a kid when Savage is 2 years older no?
     
  17. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    12,197
    Likes Received:
    7,428
    I will take a QB that had his 2 BEST games in College in the National Championship games against Alabama 2 years in a row.
     
    CallMeTheDream likes this.
  18. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    12,197
    Likes Received:
    7,428
    State of South Carolina schools have been good for the Texans. Dunta Robinson, Clowney, DJ Reader, Hopkins.......Watson would be a nice fit.
     
  19. houstonstime

    houstonstime Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    4,159
    Likes Received:
    3,940
    I mean Cardale Jones kinda did that... he flamed out
     
  20. houstonstime

    houstonstime Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    4,159
    Likes Received:
    3,940
    Seems opposite of Brock.. I'm ok with that, until I'm not.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now