Turnover distribution of this team vs. championship teams

Guess we won't be winning a championship this year then.

 

i think this has more to do with the lack of playmakers on the team. everyone focuses on the terrible defense this season, but on offense its a 1 man show. he's being asked to do too much.

we need more playmakers on this team, and we need a coach who has a system of getting guys easy baskets rather than relying so heavily on james.

 

But, but, but, taking the ball out of Harden's hands is stupid.

 

After seeing Isaiah Thomas and Magic ranking high on TOV % for their teams, and watching their post-playing careers, I think this thread means that Harden should never be a GM or host his own TV show.

 

We need more players who can create offense (for others)? Harden has many turnovers because we need him to use so many possessions.

Harden's Turnover ratio (Turnovers per 100 possessions) is 12.8%

Dwight Howard's is 15.7, which is one of the highest in the NBA.

Here are some others this year:

Draymond Green: 14.1
Curry 10.1

Here are some on your list for those years:

Parker: 9.7%
Lebron: 9.6
Lebron: 10.7
Kidd: 12.2
Kobe: 9.7

Harden's is high, but it's not really that bad, like worse in the league bad.

 

ground breaking. wow.

 

Interesting Wall's high 28.5% represents the Wizards' underachieving season.

Westbrook's high total is helped by Durant's greatness for OKC's success.


Would be interesting to know same players' numbers last season.

 

Really all you have to do is look at Draymond Green, Curry and Lebron who all have a 20%+ share of their team's turnovers this year

and once you realize all 3 of those guys will probably be in the finals, this theory goes out the window.


The core of the Rocket's problems revolve around our defense, more specifically having to cover up for Harden's subpar defensive effort with 2 wings who are defense/spot up shooters/non-playmakers. When you have wings who are incapable of creating offense for others at a high level, more of the burden rests on one player and that results in more turnovers. That same overuse results in less effort on defense. It's all a huge compounding clusterfuc*

The worst part of this is, despite having 3 supposed "defensive-minded" players in the starting lineup, they still have a bottom of the barrel defense, which is not Harden's fault entirely.

So yes, we need more playmakers. We need to swap some of these defense/spot up shooters for defense/playmakers. And there are probably 2-3 defensive/playmaker wings in the NBA not named Lebron or Kawhi.

 

K. But you are just making 20 an arbitrary cut off number. There is still a large gap between 20 and 29 which is where Harden is.

 

Right, it's the benchmark the OP used. His benchmark is not Turnover ratio, it's TOV/ Team TOV, which benefits the player on a team with multiple playmakers or people more prone to turnovers.

You look at GSW this year. They have two guys who have roughly the same (Curry and Green).


Now imagine if Harden gave up a half of his possessions to someone else who turns it over at the exact same rate. His number would go down by quite a lot, wouldn't it? Even though the team turns it over still, Harden isn't so high.

 

I'm not excusing Harden here for being more turnover prone than some of his peers (other superstar/playmakers.) He is. I just don't think it's the root cause of our issues.

Every single one of those other championship guys (maybe other than Wade) have had the benefit of other elite players to take some of the offensive/playmaking load.

Harden has nobody. And the only other guy we have (Howard) turns it over at a higher rate than Harden.

 

BTW, also not excusing Harden for not developing his off-ball/movement game.

That is his fault too. They brought in a playmaker this year in Lawson, and all Harden did was stand around and watch until we were sure it wouldn't work.

 

Congrats, you have shown the Rockets rely on Harden more than any other team relies on one guy.

This is new and exciting information.

Why don't you focus on an actual weakness of the team, like the fact that we got outrebounded by 21 last night, 15 on the offensive glass.

 

If success is the metric we are using, Brooks led team w/Martin and Lowry led team w/Scola rival him currently.

 

thats just who he is. he wants to be the man, so let him be the man.

 

No, he wasn't like this last year.