Yemen government routed by Iranian-backed group, Saudi attacks; clueless Obama humiliated

So this is your response to getting owned by Northside? HA!

 

Also we will never stop supporting Saudi Arabia as long as they have that much oil and as long as we are dependent on oil. Even with increased domestic fracking the Saudis have shown they can manipulate oil prices enough to keep them as the top producer.

More reason to switch off of fossil fuels.

 

We don't have support the Saudis for oil. It's not as if they can just stop selling oil to us. Plus I think we will see breakeven points on US shale wells continue to drop as technology continues to develop and as the producers cut out some of the excessive spending that was going on at $100+ oil.

Also, where is the comment about oil price manipulation coming from?

 

Saudis produce far less natural gas than the U.S. or Russia, and they produce no coal. Fossil fuels are the greatest force behind technological progress.

That being said, you, I, average Joe and everyone else on this board is not ready to deal with the consequences of the Saudis not selling their cheap oil to Asia.

Yemen only highlights the blind eye to US turns to Saudi Arabia. The US will stoop to new lows to condemn others of war crimes and crimes against humanities, etc. All the meanwhile, its citizens will live in fear and the Idi Amin's of the world will always have a safe house.

 

On the Houthi, from here. The author was at one point military attache to Yemen.

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There are certain peoples who are instinctively good at fighting.* The Pushtuns, Somalis, Sikhs and Yemeni Zaidi tribesmen are among them.* Others are not so good at fighting or joyful at the prospect of combat;* Saudi hirelings of the Al-Saud "country" of Saudi Arabia, Egyptian peasant conscripts, and Sunni Yemenis of the south.

The Zaidi mountain tribesmen defeated the Egyptian Army fifty years ago.* There is a large Egyptian military cemetery*in San'a.* The road down from the mountains to the port of Hodeida is still littered with destroyed Egyptian Army vehicles that were "killed" in guerrilla ambushes.

In the Yemen civil war of the 1960s the Saudi allies of the Yemeni monarchy carefully limited themselves to providing money, materiel and sanctuary in KSA while the Zaidi tribesmen fought a long, long, protracted guerrilla war against the Egyptians and the Sunni Republican Yemenis of the south.

Some groups shifted back and forth between the two sides. Verbal forms emerged to describe the process of turning your coat.**tamalaka*was the neologism for going royalist.**tajamhara* meant to go republican.* In 1967 there was a tremendous siege of San'a, the republican capital, in which the Yemeni republicans forces were bottled up for a long time.* In the end the Saudis brokered a settlement between the two sides and paid everyone off to ensure a peace.

The Houthi alliance of North Yemeni tribesmen are the children and grand-children of the little men who defeated Egypt's Army.* Their every day "national dress"*openly includes a large stabbing knife called a*jambiya.**An AK-47 completes the picture.* The weapons are not for show.* When I lived in San'aa several men were killed in the street outside my house, killed by*jambiya*in an unresolved difference of opinion often hyped by a cheek full of*gat.**The technique is standardized by adolescent instruction*from elders.* The knife is drawn cross body and the deathblow*is a sweep across the body of the opponent that opens the belly and spills guts in the street.* Alternatively, the attacker may go up on his toes and come down with the knife's curve toward himself so that the point goes in above the collar bone and the ribs are ripped loose form the sternum.* Death results and a tribal feud may as well.

The*zaidiya,*the form of Islam followed by these tribesmen, is a "legacy religion."* It is the oldest and most traditionally minded of the various Shia sects.* It is practiced only by the north Yemen mountaineers in their isolated villages and towns high on ridgelines and crests where a dispute often leads to a part of the village moving to another mountain.*There are mosques in cities but this is alien ground for the mountaineers.

The*zaidiyah**is named for Zayd, the fifth Shia Imam.* For that reason the Zaidis (or Zeidis) are often referred to as Fivers as opposed to Ismaili Shia Seveners (loyal to the memory of the seventh Imam) or Imami Twelver Shia (loyal to the 12th Imam).* These different groups of Shia are NOT interchangeable in their membership and indeed are competitive in their claims as to which was the last worthy imam.*

There does not exist a natural affinity between the Yemeni Zeidis and the 12er Shia of southern Iraq and Iran.** The*zaidiya*sharia)*that more closely resembles that of the Hanafi Sunni "school" of law than that of the Shia of Iran or Iraq.* The Zaidi scholars profess no allegiance to the 12er Shia scholarship of the Iranian teachers.* In theology the Zaidis follow the methodology in analysis of the*mu'tazila ,*the "rationalist" school of theology exterminated in the rest of Islam (including Iran) 1200 years ago.* This system of scloarship survives only among the Zaydis. In short there is little religious connection with Iran.* For a Zaydi to "convert" to 12er Shiism is as big and alienating a step as "conversion" to Sunnism.* Such a change would normally lead to family, clan and tribal ostracism.

It is sometimes said that the Yemeni hill men are largely unaffected by the niceties of religion, but I would challenge that notion.*I would agree that religion as the domain of scholars and priests (where they exist) does not much affect the tribesmen, but the role of religion as emblem of ethnic and tribal identity among them is strong and they will fight long and hard for that identity.

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Houthi are bad ass fighters with a true warrior culture, a lot like the Afghan Pashtun tribes. They actually "like" fighting as much as can be said of any culture. Their particular form of Shia Islam is about as far away from the Iranian Shia Islam as possible.

They may be best available "enemy of my enemy" for the Iranians, but nothing more. They certainly aren't puppets. Their version of Shia may be closer to the Saudi ideology, than the Iranian. If Iranians tried to control them they'd fight back just as hard.

 

Maybe not the right thread to ask but does anyone have any idea what the max barrels per day the Saudis can produce? I'm curious what they could do if they really wanted to say **** off to the American producers.

 

Ottomaton it was interesting reading the comments section. The author seemed to be putting info there that questioned the reports of the Saudis controlling the Yemeni airspace.

 

The intern has never owned anyone. Although he tries hard and expends lots of effort, the only recognition he gets for it is some backslapping by a few intellectually challenged kids such who call themselves "Teen Wolf", "Baba Booey" or "Kwame". I mean...who can take people seriously who choose such screen names? Even these names alone make you wonder who helped these kids turn on the computer and register on this site.

 

It's not just whether they sell oil to us but they have an outside impact on overall oil prices. Even if they sell less to us still sell more than enough to allies and major trading partners that disruption to Saudi oil will have some big repercussions.

As far as shale oil technology it is possible it could drop but at the moment it seems like the price incentives aren't there for more investment in shale oil.

The Saudis have long been manipulating oil prices by increasing or decreasing their production. Here is an article about the recent oil price drop.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/11/news/economy/oil-price-fall-saudi-arabia/

 

Fossil Fuels have been a force behind technological progress. That doesn't mean they will remain especially given how much R and D has been put into developing other sources.

Probably true but I do believe a gradual weening off from fossil fuels is needed for many reasons. US foreign policy is just one of those.

Largely agree. US support of a backwards religious monarchy is hypocritical to say the least.

 

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First, Saudi Arabia holds virtually all the spare production capacity of the global oil industry. As such, the kingdom would be the only cushion in the event of a supply disruption involving a large producer such as Iran. A lower figure for the maximum production capacity also assumes a smaller cushion. Second, the IEA has lowered its estimate of Saudi Arabia’s maximum production capacity only on rare occasions over the past 15 years.

In its February report released last week, the Paris-based watchdog reduced its estimate of the kingdom’s maximum output to 11.88m barrels a day, a notch below the previous assumption of 12m b/d, which the IEA used in its January report.

Saudi Aramco, the country’s oil company, puts its maximum output at 12.5m b/d.

The natural decline of Saudi Arabia’s oilfields has been masked over the past few years by the extensive expansion programme of the kingdom. But the last significant oilfields were added in 2010 with the 1.7m b/d expansion projects of Khurais and Khursaniyah. The next new big oilfields would not come on stream until 2013, when Saudi Aramco anticipates reaching maximum production on its 900,000 b/d Manifa oilfield.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7c5ac376-56f1-11e1-be25-00144feabdc0.html

 

LOLOLZ. You got owned dude. It's painfully obvious you hate Islam and it blinds you. y means and you just live in a time period where Muslims.

AroundTheWorld is such a high born name.... It's a sports forum.... Do you know where you are?

 

Sorry, I don't speak jibberish.

 

Notice how he or she hasn't even pretended to address the topic of this thread after being annihilated by Northside Storm. When you've been owned this badly, you just go into full r****d mode since there is no recovering from the damage that's already been done.

 

This is probably the only thing you have been an expert in...ever since you registered on this site.

 

I was raised to believe that people should not own other people.

 

ATW has been owned long enough to be considered an honorary member of the Moteasa tribe.

 

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Good answer by Shane.

Next question in the same interview:

DP: Do you look at that still and wonder how we kill in the name of religion?
SB: It's amazing. Religion is a facet of all societies that really is outside the box in terms of rational thinking where rules apply to social norms. When a religion gets involved, the norms seem to be thrown out the window, and that's part of the reason why I wanted to study religion and find out why.​

In contrast to several of the ignorant buffoons here who try to shout down people who want to discuss why religions - some much more than others - are used as a reason for violence, Battier recognizes that this is an issue worth studying and discussing.