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Israeli hospital treats Palestinian child for free, mother wants him to become suicide bomber later

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    <iframe width="853" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/zKtWPMW9PSA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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    Do you consider her views as representative of the views of other Palestinians and of other Muslims? How can you ever make peace with someone who thinks like that? She seems friendly and nice, but what more - other than all be dead and Israel be destroyed - could the Israelis do for her? They saved her son, and then she wants him to become a suicide bomber and kill Israelis. How is that not a crazy death cult ideology? So sad.

    "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." - Golda Meir.

    Will this ever happen?
     
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    Absolutely terrifying, has anyone watched the full documentary?

    Here's a review from IMDB

    The Israeli film Chayim Yekarim was shown in the US with the title Precious Life (2010). The movie was written, directed, and filmed by Israeli journalist Shlomi Eldar. This film defies our expectations. It should be a feel-good movie, because it certainly has all the elements: a seriously ill infant from Gaza, a capable Israeli doctor who has the knowledge and desire to help the child, an anonymous Israeli donor who will pay for the procedure, and an Israeli hospital that welcomes patients from Gaza.

    However, it's not a feel-good movie. Simply getting through the crossing between Gaza and Israel is a major undertaking. Getting the marrow donor across is another challenge. Keeping the infant alive when Israeli artillery shells are raining down on Gaza is a challenge.

    Ironically, the child's physician is called up for service in the Israeli army. The doctor points out the bizarre situation where he may be part of a military force that is attacking the homeland of the child that he--as a civilian physician--is trying to save.

    Everyone will assume that the parents of the child will be totally and absolutely grateful. They are, indeed, grateful. However, they are also furious--furious about the occupation of Gaza, furious about Jerusalem being in the hands of the Jews, and furious about the fact that the procedure can't be performed in Gaza. At one point, the mother even states that she would be proud if her son--once he is cured--became a suicide bomber. (Granted, this may be a statement made more for an audience at home, rather than for the journalist Sholmi Eldar.)

    This is a complex film about a complex subject. As is so often the case, decisions made by leaders and military commanders at a high level play out in the lives of people at the bottom of the pyramid who do not make the decisions. This is the reality, and it is faithfully portrayed in this excellent documentary.

    By all means see this film, but don't go to it prepared to come out thinking that God's in his heaven and all's right with the world. We saw the movie at the excellent Rochester Jewish Film Festival, shown at the wonderful Dryden Theatre at George Eastman House.
     
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    They kill hundreds of Palestinian's children but they treat one and make this video ,and an idiot jump on the occasion and post it in this forum
     
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    First of all that's shabby reporting going by what you posted. Martyr doesn't mean the same thing as terrorist.

    Terrorists will be considered as martyrs, but the majority of Palestinians who are considered martyrs aren't terrorists. Any Palestinian who dies in the struggle against Israeli occupation would be a martyr. Most Palestinians who die at the hands of Israelis are civilians and not terrorists.

    I haven't seen the video yet, but the description of it isn't accurate, and is also inflammatory.
     
  5. StupidMoniker

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    Why would she be hoping he would die in the "struggle against Israeli occupation" in some other way? What could she possibly be hoping for that would make the statement less horrifying than suicide bomber?
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    She uses the word "Shahid".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid

    How about you just watch the video? :confused:
     
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    #crimingwhilePalestinian
     
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    Golda Meir has some great quotes, but that unfortunately is not one of them.

    There aren't many parents that hate their enemies more than they love their children, and that sort of talk is why Avoda has only won two elections since Meir. It's patronizing and elitist, especially if you understand the context from which she said those words. When I first read them, I didn't, and I didn't read them any differently than you did.

    In the 50s, 60s and 70s, (ok, they were Mapai during the 50s and most of the 60s, but same people) they had a lot of presumptions about anyone that wasn't socialist, Jewish and Ashkenazi, and there are still some on the old guard that wring their hands and say that if poor savage Arabs (and the Mizrachi who brought Begin and those after into power for that matter) were just more "European" (meaning, like them) why there just wouldn't be any problems at all in Israel.

    Golda Meir was also the sitting Prime Minister during Israel's biggest military screw-up and loss of life to date, which I attribute to the same sort of elitist hubris that both ignored a warning in person from King Hussein that an attack was coming and underestimated those "savage" Egyptians who were not only willing to attack on Yom Kippur, but willing to do it in the middle of Ramadan.



    This was published yesterday by Sayed Kashua, in a response to the burning of a bilingual school in Jerusalem. He left Israel with his family to live in US recently -- but it was the school his son previously attended.


    Sayed Kashua watches his son's old classroom burn from afar

    It was hard not to be in Jerusalem this 
week after seeing images of the charred 
classroom at my son's school.
    By Sayed Kashua 10:30 06.12.14 0


    I don’t know what it feels like to you over there, but from afar, during the holiday and shopping/sales period between Thanksgiving and Christmas, the events unfolding in Israel look really off-the-wall. Like a traveling circus in which the pole of the Big Top is wobbling and threatening to fall on the heads of both the clowns and the gaping audience.

    The news about the regime in Israel seems like the cheapest kind of TV reality show – a bunch of people who want to stay in the game at any price, people with a special type of personality that made them want to be in the spotlight in the first place.

    I’ve been in the United States for almost five months now, five months in which I’ve been reading the local press, and I don’t recall this kind of massive preoccupation with elected officials, not even in the midterm elections.

    A perusal of the media outlets in Israel shows that the big story is the politicians. They’re the real celebs, the stars of reality shows, driven by quarrels, intrigues and sheer voyeurism. Well, maybe it’s time to ignore them? Maybe it’s time for the politicians’ photos to stop adorning the front pages, and for their inanities to stop leading off the evening news?

    Still, these reality show participants are deciding people’s fates – not only of those citizens of Israel who are deemed more worthy and those who are unworthy. They are holding hostage an entire nation that is rotting in a “Survivor” series set in a vicious jungle, a whole nation whose people are extras with no control over the brutal rules of the format.

    Maybe it’s time for the press to start running real stories, to start dealing more with the implications of the actions and decisions of the elected representatives, and to ask for responses only within the realm of the latter’s responsibility, leaving the tall tales of the cabinet ministers and the MKs to the back pages, amid the gossip columns where they belong.

    But how can we ask that of court jesters – oops, I mean journalists – who have been hired by the royal house? And how can we expect people to pass up the tremendous ratings boost they get in return for a mess of pottage?

    Still, despite the hullabaloo over there – while here the houses and the streets are starting to be decorated with colorful trees and lights – this week was the first time since I left that I was sorry not to be in Israel, more specifically in Jerusalem. On Sunday all I wanted to do was to take my son like I used to, to hold his hand and escort him to his classroom in the bilingual Hand in Hand school.

    There were images of the small, burnt chairs there, of the coats the first-graders always forget to take home at the end of the day, even though the parents always tell them to. The all-too-familiar letters of the alphabet in Hebrew and Arabic, some of which fell off while others, blackened, remained stuck to the boards with magnets.

    I so much wanted to hold my little son’s hand very tightly and, together with the other parents, take him to the burned building. I was so sorry that I couldn’t stand there alongside the administration, the teachers and the parents on Sunday morning, and smile at the Jewish and Arab children as they entered the school; a false smile like you sometimes use to lie to children in distressing situations, a smile that says there’s still hope, that going to school together is allowed, that one day we will be truly equal.

    I tried this week to bring to mind the innumerable mornings on which I escorted my kids to school, only to be greeted there by graffiti scrawled on the wall: “Death to the Arabs.” The guard, Guy, was well-practiced in painting over the slogans that wished death on my children. I smiled at my son then, too, and held his hand tightly when he read – in the Hebrew he learned to recognize just like Arabic – the slogan that became routine for the schoolchildren and for the parents, who wanted only to reject the rules of separation and tell their children a fairy tale in which Jews and Arabs could hope for a happy ending.

    But now it doesn’t really matter – not the burning of the school, not racial laws, not the millions of Palestinians who are being held in Israeli captivity. Now we’re headed for an election, now the three-ring circus is getting underway. It’s always a stunning event, in which everyone who is anyone in the local entertainment industry takes part. Soon it’ll start: intimidations, threats, grim smiles, unrequited loves, old hates and lots of juicy betrayals.

    There won’t be any surprises after the balloting – favorable surprises, that is. The election will be between “Zionism and extremism,” as outgoing minister Tzipi Livni put it.

    What exactly is Zionism? Am I supposed to wait, fingernail-biting tense, until the election and hope that Zionism will triumph at last? Am I supposed to hope that Ze’ev Jabotinsky was right, not Rabbi Meir Kahane?

    When I think about the Arab MKs, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry – not to mention the Palestinian Authority, the European Union and the Americans.

    It’s insulting and sad that a country that took momentary fright because it might have entangled itself is deciding to take a time-out, to put a spoke in its own wheels in order to divert attention from the main thing.

    So, we’ll blow a little smoke in their eyes in the form of an election. That will spare us temporarily from having to waste time dealing with negligible matters like boycotts for practicing apartheid, discrimination, poverty, Jewish nation-state legislation and the burning of schools.

    That’s the way it is with elections. Sometimes they turn out to be the only good thing about democracy.

    ---

    Does this sound like someone that hates Israelis more than he loves his son?
     
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    Shaid doesn't mean terrorist

    Terrorists are not shaids

    LOL
     
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    It is pretty clear what she means.
     
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    This another YouTube show how Hypocrite this ATW

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    THIS.

    How about you understand the meaning of shaheed. Shaheed is the EXACT SAME THING as Martyr. Like literally.

    Do you even know what the word JIHAD means? You will be pretty surprised to know its not the same thing as what media presents to you. Jihad does not = terrorist blowing himself up.

    The word JIHAD means to STRUGGLE. Me going out to earn money in order to feed my family is my Jihad. If I strive for education thats Jihad. Anything that you struggle for that makes you a better person can be called Jihad. Its a struggle within yourself to live a life according to Islamic teachings. Thats Jihad. Not killing innocent people/yourself. That is totally Haraam(prohibited) in Islam.
     
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    If you had watched the video you knew that she was literally talking about dying while fighting Israel to make Jerusalem "theirs" (the Palestinians').

    And yes, I know exactly what jihad is supposed to mean. Maybe you should teach those who are violent and intolerant in the name of Islam - because they certainly have a different understanding from what you posted. I am not the one you need to educate.
     
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    Yeah imagine some day your neighbor walks into your house with guns in hands and forces you to live in a samll room and calls the rest of the house his. I would like to see how you would react to that.


    It doesn't matter if someone is being violent in the name of Islam, or KKK, or anything other gang/religion/race/color. A terrorist is a terrorist. Until the world can learn to differentiate between a Terrorist and a Muslim, terrorism will not stop. Bombing villages/towns killing scores of innocent civilians (including children) just because they are muslims, in the name of "War on Terror" will not help. All it does is creates more terrorists.

    No religion teaches violence. All religions preach Peace. There is no way a person with even an iota of fear of their God can kill or even harm another human being.
     
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    BTW I dont totally agree with this woman, but I can see where she is coming from. I hope she changes her mind and instead gives him TRUE Islamic teachings so maybe he can go out and preach Islam to others, which is much better than any other kind of weapon.
     
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    And if some folks don't understand what she means with making Jerusalem theirs, see this map:




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    How about this map:

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    Such as

    and...drumroll...

    ?
     
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    I wish that were true, but I've seen otherwise.

    You can meet people of every religion who hold human life at the highest value and can be relied upon to act at great risk to themselves in order to preserve it. It makes them moral people -- it doesn't make their religion necessarily true or moral or peaceful just because that person practices it in a way that's humanistic and free of exceptionalism.
     

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