Some of these people loudly claiming they're real fans are just lifeless morons posing as real fans. For whatever reason, they're going to stalk Jlins progress to kill time during the dead offseason. Move on already.
Yeah, I got it: Asian-Americans identify with people who are similar to themselves, i.e. Jeremy. To them, it's perfectly reasonable for Asian-Americans to favor Asian Americans, African-American to favor African-Americans, "white" Americans to favor "white" Americans. . . . They don't see anything wrong with that.
That is the reality of the situation. White American athletes tend to be more popular than equivalent black athletes (Chandler Parsons?). Handsome athletes tend to be more popular than average looking ones (especially so for female athletes). How many black people root for the white guy to beat the black guy in a boxing match? Very few. And such allegiance would largely be due to race. If Lebron James were white, the NBA would be generating more revenue and he would perhaps be the most popular athlete in American history. You don't think Tiger Woods popularity has anything to do with race? You don't think a lot of black people who never cared about golf ever before became fans of Tiger? Would they have done so if Tiger was white? Are they all racists too? If that is not what you are implying i apologize. Now things are not like they used to though, where white people (perhaps there are still some of these old curmudgeons around who watch baseball or golf), used actively root for the black athlete to fail because they didn't like black people. Rooting for one guy does not really mean you are rooting for other guys to fail. We are all Rocket fans, and the vast majority of us do not actually want any other players (maybe Parsons..) to personally fail - and none of us do so out of race. And those who fail to see the significance of an Asian-American NBA player are just being willfully obtuse. No I am not excusing crazy fans who are completely biased but there is nothing wrong with Asian-Americans rallying around Lin. Just don't be too annoying about it.
While i see your point, there's a fine line between rooting or cheering for a particular player, and becoming a delusional, ill-advised fan who thinks the player can do no wrong. LOFs were a new breed of fans. Far on the extreme side.
There are a few on this board who actually appreciated the basketball skills (minus the turnovers) that Lin brought to the team. Harden didn't do much at the all star game last year because he had to stand in the corner watching Durant take most of the shots. Lin was the same way with the Rockets and struggled many times do to his lack of involvement in McHale's one dimensional Harden based offense. He generally did pretty well when Harden was out and next year we'll likely realize just how damaging of a trade that was for the organization.
All right: white people have "made it" in basketball and a lot of other things; they don't need to get excited about a new white player. Black people have "made it" in basketball; they don't need to get excited about a new black player. Asian-Americans had not yet "made it" in basketball, so they got excited when Jeremy came. This phenomenon does have the problems I've mentioned, but as you say, it's "reality," even if this reality is the root cause of discrimination. BUT, for those of us who are not Asian-American, it doesn't matter if the guy is Asian-American or Chinese or black or white. For the LOF's to flood in here and accuse everyone else of discrimination because they in fact are discriminating in favor of a guy based on a combination of ethnicity, nationality and size is just repugnant. I'm not going to be bullied--yeah bullied--by the sheer quantity of Lin fans into agreeing that McHale and the Rockets organization and fan base have discriminated against Lin. It's plain BS. Lin's talent simply is not as great as his popularity. Go over to Lakersground and read the Lin fans talking about Houston "rednecks" and CF discrimination, Rockets discrimination against Lin. They're full of it, and whether discrimination in favor of your own kind is "reality" or not, it's still discrimination.
Skin color might not matter to you - but it matters a lot to the rest of America. Latinos would rally around a star Latino athlete (I lived thru Fernandomania). You don't think a star Latino-American QB would have a big following amongst Latinos? Blacks rallied around Jackie Robinson or Tiger Woods. I don't think they were being discriminatory in their allegiances but maybe patronizing white people are just better humans than the rest of us. I prefer not to go to Lakersground. I like Lin and will root for him to do well but I don't really take much vested interest in other teams (unlike some "real fans" apparently who can't stop checking out Lakersground). No point in going there at all really unless you are an LOF, just want to gloat how bad Lin sucks, or are just looking for evidence to validate an argument that died off a long time ago here.
Yeah... except Fernando Valenzuela was an elite player for nearly a decade, Jackie Robinson was a Hall of Famer and Tiger Woods is one of the two best golfers to ever life. Jeremy Lin is an also ran player... there in lies the difference.
You're not going to make me feel bad for going to Lakersground. . . . Furthermore, that is an ad hominem argument intended to divert attention away from the main point. So you say skin color mattered in baseball in the 1950's and 1980's, and black people love Tiger Woods. I say Yao and T-Mac and Howard and Harden all have had huge support here and their skin color has not mattered. Does their skin color matter to you?
The Asik deal was more valuable because of his trade value though. Letting go of Lin was necessary financially and to be honest basketball wise as well. Love the dude but I feel like Isiah has more potential to fit this offense style of play. Wait why is this thread still going on. I thought we moved on.
Of course I am aware that Harden is a much much much better player than Lin. It may be a stretch for your intelligence, but try to consider that I was using a Harden SITUATION as an example of what Lin had to go through on a nightly basis. I am not a LOF and personally feel that he lost us the Portland series by his bonehead mistakes at the end of a couple of games, but there are people on this board whose pure hatred for him sadly appears to go beyond basketball. Like him or not, he has decent basketball skills and will likely learn from his playoff mistakes (it's called gaining experience) to become a better player. While Lin is no where near as good as Harden, he is much better than Ish Smith and the drop off in the backup PG position (and overall scoring from the bench) will hurt the team this year.
Here are some beginner links. http://www.asian-nation.org/first.shtml http://sun.menloschool.org/~mbrody/ushistory/angel/exclusion_act/ Lets get started and at least give you a few random snippets so you realize how little you actually know. DENVER'S ANTI-CHINESE RIOT On the afternoon of October 31, 1880, a mob descended on Denver's Chinatown. Within hours the mob destroyed businesses, residences, and killed one Chinese resident. Denver's riot was one of 153 anti-Chinese riots that swept through the American West during the 1870s and 1880s. Because so few Chinese settled in the Great Plains during the nineteenth century, however, the Denver riot was one of two major anti-Chinese incidents to strike the region (the other was in Calgary in 1892). * If you go grab a history book on Asian American history you'd read about how there were hundreds of Chinatowns a majority were burned down prior to the dawn of the 1900s. Thats why your main regions where there are the most asians are california and ny (traditional ports of entry). * Victors write the history and most of the losers were killed, wiped out, starved out, pushed out, or disappeared in the annals of American history. See. Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 See. 1892 Act to Prohibit the Coming of Chinese Persons into the United States (or the Geary Act) The next significant exclusionary legislation was the Act to Prohibit the Coming of Chinese Persons into the United States in May, 1892, known as the Geary Act. This allowed Chinese laborers to travel to China and reenter the United States, but its provisions were more restrictive than preceding immigration laws, requiring Chinese to register and secure certificates as proof of their right to be in the United States. Imprisonment or deportation were penalties. See. Extension Act of 1904 American reputation remains tainted by its inhumane and racist exclusion policies towards the Chinese in the latter part of the 19th century and the early part of the 20th century. 1924 Immigration Act This restrictive legislation went one step further, excluding all classes of Chinese immigrants and extending restrictions to other Asian immigrant groups. Until these restrictions were relaxed in the middle of the 20th century. Chinese massacre of 1871 (Los Angeles) - the largest incident of mass lynching in American history See: Chinese Immigration Act of 1885 This act was eventually superseded in 1923 by the Chinese Immigration Act of 1923, also known as the Chinese Exclusion Act (not to be confused with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882), which banned Chinese immigration entirely * Anti-Jap Laundry League was an organization founded in 1908 in the United States by the Laundry Workers' and Laundry Drivers' Unions - The league, based in San Francisco, attempted to financially harm laundries run by Japanese Americans using four different tactics: picketing laundries, following customers back to their homes and intimidating them, preventing the laundries from purchasing equipment, and threatening public officials who refused to punish the laundries. They successfully ruined many Japanese laundries in this way. “Shaken as by an Earthquake:” Chinese Americans, Segregation and Displacement in Los Angeles, 1870-1938 By Isabella Seong-Leong Quintana http://chssc.org/History/ChinatownR...gation_and_Displacement_in_Old_Chinatown.aspx Or if you like the smaller stories how about: The Murder of Vincent Chin Chinese American severely beaten in the enclave of Highland Park in the Greater Detroit area of Michigan state, in the United States, that led to his death in June 1982. The perpetrators were Chrysler plant superintendent Ronald Ebens and his stepson, Michael Nitz. The lenient sentencing of these two men in a plea bargain generated public outrage over the murder attack, which included blows to the head from a baseball bat and possessed attributes consistent with hate crimes. Many of the layoffs in Detroit's auto industry, including Nitz's in 1979, had been due to the increasing market share of Japanese automakers, leading to allegations that Vincent Chin received racially charged comments attributing to the layoffs while being beaten. 1 example 1 city - California. The story of 5 Chinatowns in 1 city - all destroyed. The city of San Jose was home to five Chinatowns that existed until the 1930s: "First" Market Street Chinatown (1866–1870) Vine Street Chinatown (1870–1872) "Second" Market Street Chinatown (1871–1887) Woolen Mills Chinatown (1887–1902) "Heinlenville", also known as the Sixth Street Chinatown (1887–1931) excerpts... South 1st Street The initial Chinatowns in San Jose were frequently burned down by arson, with artifacts from May 1887 recently discovered around the San Jose Institute of Contemporary Art, which is located at 560 South 1st Street. Market and San Fernando Streets: "Plaza Street Chinatown" Another Chinatown was excavated during an urban renewal project to build the Fairmont Hotel and Silicon Valley Financial Center on Market and San Fernando Streets.[4] According to another article, this Chinatown was also known as the "Plaza Street Chinatown", which grew rapidly from the 1860s to the 1870s and was home to "... several hundred Chinese." According to this article, the area at the time was subject to controversy as many whites often complained to the city council about the area as "bothersome". By 1870, the area was burned to the ground with many Chinese evicted from the area as the anti-Chinese public sentiment grew. Sixth Street and Cleveland Street: "Heinlenville" John Heinlen, a farmer and businessman, planned a six block Chinatown with brick structures with water and pipes in the area of Sixth Street and Cleveland Street in 1887, to the dismay of the non-Chinese public and caused public outrage. The area was then known as "Heinlenville" and contained a variety of merchants, barbers, traditional doctors, and Chinese herbal medicine. and the Ng Shing Gung temple. The area was surrounded by Little Italy and co-existed harmoniously, but then dwindled in the 1920s as the younger generations sought careers outside the area and with a lack of new Chinese coming in due to the Chinese Exclusion Act, the area lost almost all of its Chinese population. Some artifacts from this Chinatown are now located in Kelley Park. At the time, an existing Japantown nearby was evacuated due to the war, but was repopulated after the internment of the Japanese-Americans. The exclusion act doomed many populations of Chinese people across the entire US. This combined with all the other acts, arson, murders, etc further stunted the growth of the asian american population. Asian-Americans don't make up 5.1% of the US population because of "natural migration of people". They make up 5.1% because of... a history of acts both LEGAL and illegal - from laws passed by Congress, to riots fires and literally isolating an entire generation of chinese people from meeting their families wives girlfriends grandparents etc. More fun stuff! Interracial Marriages of Chinese Early Chinese immigrant laborers were either unmarried or married with wives still in China. One reason why wives did not accompany their husbands was that the laborers initially planned to return to China after a few years. Other reasons were cultural, i.e., families had wives remain in the villages for diverse reasons. Wives in China would ensure the men would return, care for elderly parents-in-law, and have their children grow up in China. Economic factors also played a role as many immigrants could not afford to bring wives over. After the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act, Chinese laborers were prohibited from bringing their wives from China. Consequently, Chinese immigrant men in the U. S. and Canada wanting to marry had few choices but to find non-Chinese wives. Regional differences existed. In New York City, some Chinese married Irish women, as they lived in nearby neighborhoods and both groups were at the bottom of the social ladder. In the South, some Chinese married black women who were in larger number than Irish women. For example, the census agent responsible for counting the Chinese in Augusta, Georgia reported in 1905 that several of the 34 Chinese men there were married and had families, all with "negro or mulatto wives." Miscegenation laws in many states prohibited Chinese men from marrying white women, but some marriages and common-law arrangements still occurred but were kept secret as much as possible. The offspring of these mixed marriages were socially ostracized, often rejected by both white and Chinese communities. "After the Emancipation Proclamation, many intermarriages in some states were not recorded and historically, Chinese American men married African American women in high proportions to their total marriage numbers due to few Chinese American women being in the United States. After the Emancipation Proclamation, many Chinese Americans immigrated to the Southern states, particularly Arkansas, to work on plantations. For example, in 1880, the tenth US Census of Louisiana alone counted 57% of interracial marriages between these Chinese Americans to be with African Americans and 43% to be with European American women. [Between 20 and 30 percent of the Chinese who lived in Mississippi married black women before 1940. In mids 1850s, 70 to 150 Chinese were living in New York City and 11 of them married Irish women. In 1906 the New York Times (6 August) reported that 300 white women (Irish American) were married to Chinese men in New York, with many more cohabited. In 1900, based on Liang research, of the 120,000 men in more than 20 Chinese communities in the United States, he estimated that one out of every twenty Chinese men (Cantonese) was married to white women." Random fun! http://chineseamericanhistorian.blogspot.com/2013/08/pioneer-chinese-immigrants-in.html Origins of Chinese in the Mississippi Delta * In this one commentary one discovers that a man's uncle has been there since 1890. Building businesses and encouraging relatives to come to that area to also build a life and create a business. Chinese Americans fought in the Civil War. Did all asian immigrants deserve to have immigration shut off or reduced to a trickle for decades upon decades? Everytime you look at a census remember its 5%+ for a REASON. Corporal Joseph Pierce. One reason it may be hard to identify the fact that Asian American's existed and fought and died for this country since the War of 1812 is many took upon themselves english names or were given english names. The ones that were kidnapped and forced into servitude men and women alike were treated as such as well. You attempt at playing: "I'm Asian Card" = fail. That doesn't prove anything other than your genetics. You've only gone out on a limb showing how little you know. Great job. Another pt for the American education system. Peppermint, next time you open your mouth I hope you ask yourself if you really know what you are talking about. Or if your viewpoint is so narrow because you've only studied or learned about 1 perspective and 1 history.
Holy ****, yall care way too much/have way too much free time. Go out there & do something with your life. Maybe go back to school ? I'd say I know an excellent math tutor, however he just moved to LA.
