Comparing Ray Allen to Steve Kerr and BJ Armstrong... I would think having wide open shots b/c they are playing with stars who are double teamed might have smthg to do with that. Doesn't mean they are better shooters/players or equals.
The Bulls were a better team. Everyone to this day under estimatse Kukoc. Rodman and pippen could also lock anyon e's down. LBJ Bosh wade and co would be crying.
If everyone was in their primes it would be the Heat, no question about it However, if their at their current ages its the bulls and its not even close
I just gotta say this. The Bulls of yesteryear vs today's Heat.. should we take into account of handchecking rule, Shaq rule, Barkley rule etc?
Steve Kerr was a great shooter but his game was severely limited. Kerr's career best scoring average was 8.6 pts/game. Ray Allen had 10 seasons where he scored over 20 pts/game with a career high of 26.6 pts/game. Ray Allen has averaged just under 19 per game for his career while Kerr's career averge is 6.0. You can't really compare those two players as Allen was vastly more talented and well rounded.
YOu can create better defenses with the old illegal defense rule in place? Or with the modern paint-packing style? Intution and the #'s say otherwise.
The new rules offset themselves. The no hand checking offsets the eradication of illegal defense. Btw it's not like teams clog the lane with zone. The lanes were more clogged in the 90s than now. You don't agree?
I really have no idea why ppl think that the defense that were deemed illegal back in the days are used a lot in today's era. Zone defense is used like less than 5% per game, and players generally only double (off the ball) the big men if they are dominating the paint offensively...which inadvertently opens its up for the perimeter players for passing and jump shots or opens up the lane. Some ppl in this forum even think that no current NBA team play man to man defense Let them continue to dream up that today's NBA light years ahead in it's sophistication
Pippen > wade by a landslide. Pippen would have been the centerpiece of any franchise. Look at his credentials. Take jordan out, take LeBron out, who would win then ? The bulls would dominate. Pj would own spol, pippen would guard wade, and shut him down.
That couldn't get past the 2nd or 1st round. Pippen was outstanding, but as much as people rag on newbies...like CP3; LeBron; or Durant. Talk about an unclutch with a bad attitude. You couldn't be the main guy on your team under any circumstances. He's great, but vastly overrated on offense. Even on defense, players, like Hardaway and Kobe. People actually think he would shut down Lebron. He wasn't tier 1 player It's even more silly to see him among the top 5 SF ever: Bird, Dr. J, Lebron, Havlicek, and Baylor...then players like, Worthy, Barry, Pierce, Durant... I would take most of them over Pippen, period. Then, there are players, like King, Hill, and Melo.
I feel allot of people on this board dislike him because of his tenure in Houston. He was older. In his prime he was exellent. Compare his accolades
114th in PER, I'm not saying he wasn't great, but he couldn't carry team, like say Lebron, Bird, or Dr. J.
It's because it's not zone defenses that are used, it's roving defenders who will seep off any player deemed an offensive liability (see Aldridge vs us in the playoffs, everyone vs Tony Allen, Ibaka vs Splitter, half the time Dwight posts up etc), this is why so many teams use shooting power forwards. Every play against Splitter, and still some against Diaw, Ibaka was in a position that would have been illegal defense. This is why people think that, because it's exactly what happens.
Per is offence oriented. He was a athletic, defensive specialist. I hate how scoring determines skill, there is so much more
There's nothing new about that vs the fact there just aren't many great low-post scorers in the lane anymore... Chuck Daly was doing that in the '80s. These are all forms of rotational defenses. Using roving defenders was just as easy to do with illegal defense rules as it is now. All you had to do was be one zone away from a man without doubling off-ball. You know how much room that gave Payton to "seep" to help on Olajuwon. Pippen is regarded as being one of the best man and roving defenders ever. Note, you cannot stand in the lane with the new rules. There is no 3-second defensive rule in college, and there never was in the NBA. This is what makes it hard to pull off an effective zone vs just playing man. All the rules changes offset themselves. All it really achieved was no wing clear-outs, but now you can't do hand-checking.
PER takes into account positive accomplishments, such as field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones, such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls Scoring, efficiently is one of the hardest aspects...Pippen was an all-round great talent, but that doesn't make you a number #1...so were Dennis Johnson, Ginobili, or Bosh. They aren't necessarily build around for championship team or a playoff team. Moreover, he was good shooter, not great...he couldn't carry team offensively, like the others...remember him playing in good system and next to MJ, inflated his numbers. Even without MJ, his game didn't go to another level, like say Kobe or Westbrook. In 95, The Bulls were falling out of playoffs, while someone pouted and asked to be traded. He also was not the person they went to in crunch time. In 98, he was injured a good bit of the season and complaining...the Bulls were still a championship squad. Bird, Lebron, Baylor, Dr. J, Havlicek easily over Pippen. Those guys were dominant players...none of them asked for trades, when it got rough. Barry, Durant > Pippen Worthy, Pierce, Nique, English, King, and Melo is arguable.
Nowhere near as much room as Ibaka sitting on the edge of the paint (which turns into stepping in and out when it looks like it might be needed) while his man is behind the 3 point line. You could completely nullify the weak side by dragging them all the way out, which you can't do any more.
Watch this clip of Jordan vs Knicks series early in the 90s since you dont really know how much teams sagged off their man back in the days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ&list=PLDF8F59F1922BFFDE
No you could not nullify the weak side. You only had to be one zone away. The big thing is the strong side could stand in the middle of the paint on pick n rolls, which is illegal now. All the rules changes offset themselves. What is easier in one area is harder in another. Pick n roll defense was much easier without the 3-second rule and with hand-checking. But with real Centers in the league...everything was harder. Ibaka jumping in and out of the lane was squat compared to hand-checking, no defensive 3-second and real CENTERS The rule changes offset themselves. I'll keep saying it. Not really sure why this is up for debate.
Some of those plays were uncalled illegal defenses, others were just them charging him in force. It's like saying there's no 3 second rule now because you can show (countless) examples of players parking their ass there and the refs missing it.
