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Most talented team not to win the title

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Shakee, May 23, 2013.

  1. rm365

    rm365 Contributing Member

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    No mention of the 1995 Orlando Magic?

    Shaq, Penny Hardaway, Horace Grant, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, Darryl Armstrong.
     
  2. -Rockets

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    2004 Lakers?

    Glove
    Kobe
    Fox
    Malone
    Shaq

    :eek:
     
  3. Nook

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    Interesting that several of Adelman's teams make the list... Always seems the refs were against him...riiight.
     
  4. glacier921

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    Hahahaha...so true.
     
  5. percicles

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    Lotta youngsters in this thread.

    1993-94 Seattle SuperSonics
    Coach: George Karl

    Gary Payton
    Shawn Kemp
    Detlef Schrempf
    Sam Perkins
    Kendall Gill

    Kemp in his prime was unstoppable. They played a defense that was basically a zone, back when zone's were illegal. They did it so much that the refs just stopped calling them on it. And it sucked if you had a dominate low post player.

    It seemed like they never missed a three. Just swoosh after swoosh after swoosh and then a monster Kemp dunk. I hated them, not like the Jazz holes who I just loathed for being straight b-tches, but because in my heart of hearts I knew we could never beat them.
     
  6. verysimplejason

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    Yup. That's one team I've always thought is one of the best but didn't achieve the required chemistry to win it all. I hope Morey will also think about it that talent alone isn't enough.
     
  7. verysimplejason

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    Well, I think MJ and his Bulls are there. Without them, there's a lot of team including the Jazz' Stockton-Malone and Phoenix' Barkley teams that may have won the championship.
     
  8. percicles

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    I disagree. Payton was a shell of his former self by the time he went to LA. In his prime, he was at his best playing D, posting up, slashing & setting up the half court. He was never a good 3p shooter which is what you needed to be with Shaq, nor was he the type to hand out dimes like Kidd. Wrong fit for that team and pretty much at the twilight of his career.

    Karla was also a shell of her former self. She was never a good post player or a great defender. It was obvious that she couldn't bring it without her girlfriend running the pick and roll and setting him up in the paint.

    Fox was always to busy looking in his compact mirror when he had to play D.
     
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    I concur that Payton and Karl isn't in their prime but if I remember it right, Payton game isn't so phased-out yet. He still played with Shaq and Wade in Miami and he still performed at a high level during the playoffs albeit not as good as in his prime. Karl Malone was injured at that time so he's not able to bring his A-game but contributed quite good during their playoff run. Here's his stats during his Lakers stint:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html

    His numbers are not as good as when in his prime but injuries and the fact the he's sharing the ball with Shaq and Kobe makes his stats acceptable.

    Here's Payton's numbers:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paytoga01.html

    His Per 36 during his Lakers stint isn't that low even if you consider his game average which is quite understandable if you have to share ball again with Shaq and Kobe. His game regressed that much only during his Miami stint.
     
  10. dandorotik

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    Umm, I think you have to at least get past the first round and not be defeated by an 8th seed to even sniff at the "most talented team never to..." title. Mavericks are a pathetic franchise who got lucky they pulled off a championship- only to become the 1997 Florida Marlins due to an idiotic owner who thinks he knows more about basketball than he actually does. He's lucky Donnie was smart enough to land Dirk.
     
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    2010 Heat, lots of Reggie's Pacer teams, 97 Rockets, 97/98 Jazz, 90's Knicks.
     
  12. JMAD21

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    Also 95 Magic.
     
  13. bloodwings19

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    2003-04 Lakers wins. They did win 56 games in the regular season, so it wasn't a bad team, just no win.

    Kobe
    Master Flopper
    Karl Malone
    Gary Payton
    Shaq
    Horace Grant
    Byron Russell
     
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    Boki did a number on Malone that season and dude was never the same since...
     
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    How they ended up with a young 19 yr old Gerald Wallace, a 22 yr old Hedo Turkalu, and 24 yr old peja is beyond me. I wonder if maloof picked those guys
     
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    Yeah core of Anfernee Hardaway , nick Anderson, Dennis Scott?, horrid grant, and shaq nasty.. Team was set to win a championship.
     
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    I agree with the 2008 Rockets...they were paper champions but couldnt deliver due to injuries but still managed to have the streak! I was hyped when Stevie Franchise was back but that nagging injury that derailed his career took him out of his pretty much guaranteed starting job to replace Rafer "Missed Floaters" Alston. Look at the depth!

    PG- Steve Francis/Alston/Mike James/Rookie Aaron Brooks
    SG-Tmac/Bonzi Wells
    SF-Battier/Steve Novak
    PF-Scola/Landry/Chuck Hayes
    C-Yao/Deke

    You cant tell me that an injury free and prime roster of these guys wouldn't win a title.
     
  18. plutoblue11

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    1987-88 Dallas Mavericks:

    Rolando Blackman
    Mark Aguirre
    Derek Harper
    Sam Perkins
    Roy Tarpley
    (young) Detlef Schrempf
    Brad Davis
    James Donaldson

    Took a very good Lakers' squad to seven.
     
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    The 85-86 Lakers.

    Magic Johnson
    Byron Scott
    James Worthy
    Mo Lucas
    Kareem
    with Michael Cooper and a young A.C. Green coming off the bench.

    We ruined their championship run. :)

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/yXOts9kaiLQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    NFL - Super Bowl Era (Modern NFL)

    Teams who previously won a title (or eventually won a title) [within 2-4 seasons]


    2011 Green Bay Packers (15-1, Defending Super Bowl champions)
    2010-11 New Orleans Saints (*In 2010, Defending Super Bowl champions)
    2010 Pittsburgh Steelers (Defending Super Bowl champions)
    2008 New York Giants (Defending Super Bowl champions)
    2007, 2010-11 New England Patriots
    1994 Dallas Cowboys (Defending Super Bowl champions)
    1990, 1993, 1995, 1997, 1998 San Francisco 49ers (*In 95, Defending Super Bowl champions)
    1986-87 Chicago Bears (a heavyweight 14-2 season; Defending Super Bowl champions)
    1983 Washington Redskins (Defending Super Bowl champions)
    1967-70, 1972-75, 77 Oakland Raiders (*In 77, Defending Super Bowl champions)
    1972 Pittsburgh Steelers
    1971 Miami Dolphins
    1968 Indianapolis Colts
    1966-70, 1972-73, 1975-76, 1978-83 Dallas Cowboys (*In 72 and 78, Defending Super Bowl champion)


    Teams who did not win a title in a 2-4 year radius

    2012 Denver Broncos
    2012 San Francisco 49ers
    2012 Atlanta Falcons
    2009 Minnesota Vikings

    2006 Chicago Bears defense
    2006-2009 San Diego Chargers
    2002-04 Philadelphia Eagles
    1999-00 Tennessee Titans
    1998-99 Jacksonville Jaguars
    1998 Atlanta Falcons
    1998 Minnesota Vikings
    1998 New York Jets
    1997 Kansas City Chiefs
    1991-93 Houston Oilers
    1990-1993 Buffalo Bills
    1981-1985 Miami Dolphins
    1979-82 San Diego Chargers
    1978-80 Houston Oilers
    1973-76 Minnesota Vikings
    1973-80 Los Angeles Rams
     

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