Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

Utah has an excess of Big Men (it's why they're going to have to let some go, such as Millsap or Jefferson, in order to open up playing time for other Big Men like favors, kanter, etc.). That trade has them taking back 3 Big Men in Patterson, Aldrich, Collins. Utah doesn't want Big Men. They're trying to get rid of Big Men!

And Utah wants a floor general PG desperately to help get their Big Men good shots. Toney Douglas is a not a floor general pass-first PG. He's a SG in a PG body, a combo guard that can be useful for his spot up shooting and defense and occassionally run the point for spurts, but certainly not to run a pass-first offense as floor general.

And I have no idea why the Celtics would want Royce White, who is a negative trade value at the moment. No team wants him right now for fear of an ADA lawsuit waiting to happen. He will have to prove himself by a ton in order to regain trade value.

 

SacTown is making no major moves. Cousins is off the market till the new ownership takes over this summer, cleans house, and decides what to do with him. They may trade him, but it won't be till after the new owners take over. The team just got sold, they're not going to move any major pieces like Cousins or Tyreke Evans or anyone. Nor will they make any major acquisitions. It's a lameduck FO, many of them may be gone after the new ownership's housecleaning after season's end and replace them with a new FO.

 

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Emeka Okafor and their 2014 1st round pick
...for...
Omer Asik, Cole Aldrich, Pat Patterson

Houston takes on the price of Okafor (12.5M for 2 years) giving up some flex room. We don't really lose much on defence but Okafor can play some offense, too. PLUS a pick that should be better than average in a better than average draft. All the while un-clogging the power forward "log jam" and getting youngsters get some playing time..

Washington gets 2 productive bigs on a good contacts in Asik and Patterson who are playing well and would "fit" with Nene, Wall and Beal. And an expiring in Aldrich. Plus drop Okafor(12.5M for 2 years) off the books.

I bumped this to finish my thought...
-Then take this pick and ours (if/when we make the play-offs) PLUS D-Mo, T. Jones or Lin and trade up to DRAFT the next superstar to play next to Harden.
-All the while giving us a 3rd option in the paint in Okafor that "fits". He has averaged DD over 8 seasons. His draw back is his pay not his play. He is better than MOST of the free agents to be (with out a lot of flash and drama). He is like a modern day Otis Thorpe on the court. Then hope for the hometown discount when his contract is done.

We have the cap space and the need why not?

 

You want to flat out give Asik (plus other pieces) away for a more expensive, inferior player and the chance at maybe we get lucky in the draft in 2014? So we can, if we are very lucky, develop into contenders by 2017/2018 right at the end of Harden's contract?

Hell no. You're throwing away the next 5 seasons.

Asik is quickly developing into a championship capable role-player. You don't trade him away unless you are getting a superstar in exchange. A proven player who is a superstar now. Otherwise, you keep him. Same thing for Lin. You sure as hell don't trade both of them in a desperate all-in move for a top 5 pick in 2014.

 

What other teams what Cousins?

All I can think about is Boston and they have no one to offer.

Maybe Spurs, but Im not sure what they have Splitter is good piece for them and maybe a few other pieces that they can give Sac.

My trade is a reasonable move for Sac if they were to trade Cousins. lol just some **** that could makes sense and works with salaries soooo.

 

Not going to happen. Morey tried desperately to trade up to a top pick during the last draft, and no team agreed.

A top pick is worth a lot more than a bunch of roleplayers, even good young prospects. Not just because of the upside available but because of the rookie scaled contract. That will be increasingly important for salary cap management.

No one is going to trade you a top 3 pick unless you're trading Harden, which is obviously not happening. Teams will take quality over quantity any day, due to roster and salary cap constraints. And once you move outside the top 3, the bust potential goes up.

Heck, the Wiz wouldn't even trade Beal for Harden (a mistake in hindsight). But that just goes to show that top picks, due to their rookie contracts and assumed upside potential, are not going to be traded for a grab bag of good young prospects like you're suggesting.

 

Cousins is not being dealt this season. They've taken him off the table due to the team's sale. It doesn't matter if anyone wants him or not. You have to wait for the new FO to get installed this summer before you can make deals.

 

1) Never said I wanted a deal for him

2) I was just spitballin. Didn't include any other fillers/serious thought. Just potential framework.

3) You gave TONS of thought and you ACTUALLY came to the conclusion that James Anderson and cash considerations would net us Terrence Ross and Linus Kleiza....say what you want about my deal, but just know that mine is 8000000 times more reasonable than the joke of a deal you offered up.

 

There are some dumb GMs out there, with agendas other than winning a title, like saving the team money or improving in the short term to keep their job at the expense of the long term.

Trades that involve us taking on significant salary beyond this season should be dismissed, unless they involve us getting a superstar. Morey wants to preserve flexibility and will do nothing that prevents us from offering Dwight/CP3 a max contract.

I wonder how many teams are approaching Morey about taking on salary so they can get under the cap. Can he play them off each other?

 

I would imagine as you would every team over the luxury tax threshold. I am sure the Rockets FO is inundated with calls.

 

They might sell him by the deadline you never know man.

Would they do the trade? We take back two third string players and get Cousins , but we give a two expirings (Douglas,Aldrich) and a 3 (Morris) who can start over Salmons, and a PF(Terence Jones) who can play behind Robinson or start over him since Jones has potential, and Donuts a legit 7 footer who has a good offensive game who could start at the 5 ahead of Hayes if Sac wanted too.

Thats just hypothetical you know since its highly unlikely the FO sells them since the team is sold?


Do you think Sac would do something like this if they weren't in a position were they are selling the team? I mean Cousins leads the league in Techs also I think so if they really dont like his demeanor and they see him being a liability for the team since he has so many techs could they do it if Morey offered a package like that?

 

For the last time, they are not moving him at the deadline. There is no "you never know" about it. The team has already been sold.

It's a pointless exercise. This is a lame-duck GM, FO, coach, and staff. They have no authority to make such trades. You need to wait for the new administration in Seattle. The goal of this current FO is to make no major changes, and just hand over the reins in the summer.

As for whether they would make such a deal if there were no team sale, that would be a different issue, and an entirely academic point. With no sale, the goal of the team is to make a sale to new owners. So, no, they probably wouldn't do your trade, since it doesn't get them any closer to a sale.

Making a sale means fixing the financials. It means shedding big contracts like Salmons and keeping good-bang-for-the-buck contracts like Cousins. Not doing the opposite in your proposed trade. To get Cousins you'd need to help them move closer to a sale to new buyers, by replacing Cousins with similar bang-for-the-buck contracts like several Chandler Parsons (proven good players locked into cheap long contracts and outplaying those cheap contracts, not unproven young prospects -- they're not rebuilding, they're trying to sell the team), as well as taking on their bad contracts with large dollar figures like Salmons. Otherwise, keeping Cousins on the team is better from a bang-for-the-buck contract salary perspective to potential buyers looking at the financials.

They're not rebuilding or trying to contend, they're trying to sell the team, if they hadn't just gotten sold. And as they did get sold, they're in a holding pattern as a caretaker regime not allowed to make any major moves. So in neither case would they go for your proposed trade.

 

Uh, Aldrich and Collins are just salary filler who would get no playing time or be waived. Toney Douglas would be the best PG on the team until Mo Williams gets back. Celtics were high on Royce White before the draft and rumors have it had a promise out to him on draft day.

 

People here have complained that Toney Douglas takes more shots than Harden at times. Utah wants a PG who can set up their Big Men, not a shoot-first PG or combo guard.

As for the Celtics, things change. Even as recently as Summer League, people were high on Royce. But after he failed to show up to training camp and the media trainwreck from there, no team has expressed any interest in him. The Celtics, as well as other teams, have changed their valuation of him based on off-court antics and the increased litigation risk (Royce keeps talking about the ADA). You can't assume that the Celtics' interest in Royce has remained unchanged in the face of these developments.

 

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Reunite Lin with Novak?

Houston: Novak, Copeland, and Wallace.

New York: Patterson(or morris), Delfino, and Jones (Or motiejunas).

Novak would be perfect the Rockets and Copeland is a hidden gem. Plus, we get back expiring contracts in Copeland and Wallace and clear PF log jam.

New York gets insurance for Camby and Amare, as well as scores off the bench in Delfino and Jones(?).

Thoughts?

 

I don't think Novak is actually an upgrade over Delfino. And he's more expensive on a longer contract.

I think we can get better value out of whichever of Morris/Patterson we end up trading.

 

honestly, copeland is the real gem of the trade. novak is just a bonus.

 

Plus, Novak fits into our system since he's a spot up 3 shooter.

 

Copeland will be 29 in a month, not worth giving up much for.

 

offer a contract similar to novak's? 4yr/10-15 mil?