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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Grizzlies 11/9/2012

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 8, 2012.

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tkrieger said: ↑

I now hope the Rockets do the McHale during Harden's/Lin's young years what the Lakers did to Paul Westhead during Magic Johnson's young years......... I liked him has a player, but I now think coaching is over his head.
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Sometimes, being a great player doesn't always translate into being a great coach.

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#1701 OpportunityCost, Nov 9, 2012

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i think the funniest part was when Zbo post up against Delfino near the end, we've got 5 PF on the roster and we're using a 6"6 SF to guard opponents big

#1702 Lihao, Nov 9, 2012
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that was some of the ugliest basketball i have seen ever. the rebounding was atrocious. the playbook seems like that of a 7th grade HS team. more movement, cuts and alike need to happen before we get into the PRN/iso mode so that defences can't lock in..

#1703 Panda23, Nov 9, 2012
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jlfans said: ↑

20 TOs vs. 9 TOs made us -11 shoots and MEM +11 shoots.
That why we lose this game.
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Turnovers are the biggest problem in our game as a team. We really need to work on that - better flow on offense = better looks.

#1704 split41, Nov 9, 2012
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nono said: ↑

Harden must be angry at McHale and a bit frustrated at himself as well. Haha in our organization only he has the power to get McHale fired. Hopefully he makes his intentions clear to Morey.
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Haha... Harden pulling a Kobe :grin:

#1705 Alex L., Nov 9, 2012
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Just cut down damn TO's Pleaz.

#1706 instar, Nov 9, 2012
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Rockets need to pay Lina and Hardena more money if they want them to play better.

#1707 Chef_Monteur, Nov 9, 2012

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Solidz75 said: ↑

That is so right. Timmy looks lost in this offense. Remember, Coach Meyer gave Timmy the freedom to do whatever he wants (he called Coach Meyer "offensive genius") and he flourished. In this offensive set, he looks quite unsure of what he needs to do - whether to run or pass. Leads to clueless plays and make Timmy look bad.

Some of you may think Timmy sucks and really, I do not blame you after seeing how he played the first 3 quarters. However, I have seen flashes of brilliance from him (avoiding the rush, passing) and 4th quarter clutch plays.

Timmy may not be a standalone great player like Brady, but I think in the right system he can be a superstar. Unfortunately, Coach Ryan is not the man for the job.
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#1708 rockmanslim, Nov 9, 2012
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Panda23 said: ↑

the rebounding was atrocious. the playbook seems like that of a 7th grade HS team. more movement, cuts and alike need to happen before we get into the PRN/iso mode so that defences can't lock in..
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We actually out-rebounded the Grizzlies... despite their size.

And yah, the playbook is clearly not fully in. Getting there, but guessing a long way to still go.

#1709 torocan, Nov 9, 2012
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torocan said: ↑

General game observations...

Offense was MUCH improved over last game. Alot more ball flow. Still alot of issues.

-Serious lack of screens and picks. You aren't going to be able to take advantage of good PnR players like Harden and Lin without solid picks and single/double screens. No idea wtf happened with PPat not dropping the pick when Lin called him over... forced him to shoot a contested 3 with 4s left on the clock. I expect McHale to seriously chew him out.

-Lin had 4 TO's, 1 was a travel, 2 were steals, 1 was Asik's pan hands. One TO you could see he lost focus and lost the dribble into Bayless. The other was just a straight out steal. It happens. Still, he shot 50%, put up 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals. 4 TO's for 37 mins really isn't bad at all. If he could have played 30ish mins, would be 3 TO's which is a decent number.

-Harden couldn't hit a shot to save his life tonight. It wasn't all double teaming... he just couldn't make baskets. 3 pointers, 2 pointers. Didn't matter... he was cold. He also had 5 TO's... at least 3 lazy/bad passes. It wasn't all ball pressure. Still, he played 40 mins, so it wasn't terrible there either.

-We need a backup PG badly. Lin and Harden played close to 40 minutes each. You're going to have dropoffs in play when you play such extended segments of minutes, especially toward the last portion of those minutes.

-BOTH teams played good defense overall. Seriously, the Rockets outshot Memphis in FG%, the Rockets had 17 assists to Memphis' 16 assists, we also out rebounded them 41-40. We shot a higher FT%... 14/15 vs 17/23, but got very FEW FT's in the 2nd half.

-Our help defense rotations on the PnR still need work. Improving, but need work. For those who think Lin should be single handedly stopping Conley (31 mins) AND Bayless (18 mins) when he's playing 40 minutes AND be screened off plays, PnR Defense is TEAM DEFENSE. It is NOT the sole responsibility of the PG, ESPECIALLY when they are repeatedly brushed off with blind Picks. Lin stayed with the opposing PG's for MOST of the game when he wasn't being brushed. The real question is where is the Help D? There should NEVER be an open lane behind the PG.

-Asik's offense was MUCH improved. More dunking is good. Stripped too often and too many bad passes (5 TO's).

-Parsons found his shot. Very nice. Patterson not so much.

-We lost the game in TO's, poor scoring by Harden and fastbreak points (20-2 in fastbreak points). The Rockets had 20 TO's. The Grizzlies had 9. Mostly it was sloppy passing and dropped passes.

Memphis is a seriously good defensive team. They're a playoff team, with lots of vets, multiple bigs, and not that much dropoff between the starters and the bench. Seriously... this team has played 5 games and it was within 2 in the last 3 minutes. WTH DO YOU GUYS EXPECT?

I saw alot of positives this game, and stuff to work on. Night and day vs last game. Can't ask for alot more than that.

Lin, Parsons and Asik all shot well. Delfino was a bit worse than usual but 33.33% isn't awful.

Too many sloppy passes, but I'll attribute part of that to misreads. Hard to account for passes to empty space as anything else.

It looked good considering the competition. I didn't expect a win from Memphis but close is acceptable with our 5th game.

These guys still need more time together, but you can see it's improving. For 5 games, I like what I'm seeing. McHale still needs to keep balancing the roles of Harden and Lin which should help considerably. Sorting out picks and more elaborate screens and sets to break Harden and Lin open should also help alot.

Getting a back up PG up to speed should help as well. And if the rest of the team find their shooting rhythm, that should help alot in terms of spacing.

A decent game and it should continue improving. :grin:
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Dude awesome observations. You put things into perspective and back them up with stats.

I nominate u as the person to write "official" post game summary because you keep things in perspective unlike the rest of us.:grin:

#1710 Solidz75, Nov 9, 2012
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knote32 said: ↑

It starts with Jeremy Lin, who can barely get the ball up the court, let alone run an offense like an NBA point guard making 12 million a year. That, and he can't shoot. No one doubts his hustle, but his talent level is beginning to scare me. This makes "LINSANITY" even more crazy. How could someone this awful at offense score so many damn points? D'Antoni?

Harden looks awful. Lazy jogging and bad decision making. He played better in the second half when he started making simple plays, instead of trying to hit homeruns every single time. He needs to get back to simplicity and running the wing hard.

Chandler/Patrick are solid roleplayers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Omer Asik is worth every single penny of his 12 million. That said, it is obvious that we need to get some more scorers at every other position.

As for Kevin McHale, I am losing faith. There is no reason that we can't watch some film on some D'Antoni pick and roll. Jeremy Lin and James Harden are having to work way too hard. It shouldn't be like that.
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Joke poster. Rather have post Jul 2012 posters than this crap here.

#1711 mike_lu, Nov 9, 2012
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rockmanslim said: ↑

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Dude That is actually funny. I'm a jets fan too (yes maybe I brought you guys bad karma).

But honestly, Jeremy has decent skill sets. Tebow is like a power forward trying to play point.

#1712 Solidz75, Nov 9, 2012
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maximus1234 said: ↑

is that all u can say? 2012er?
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I have been rooting this team for years...

#1713 Lorenzomax, Nov 9, 2012

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Someone wake me up with the Rockets get back to .500

In other words, see you next year.

#1714 Second_Cousin, Nov 9, 2012
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holly1985 said: ↑

Why did he lose weight in the offseason?
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Better for his knee.

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rockets137 said: ↑

Believe me, I'm not a troll

But why it seems everybody looking to blame Lin, while 50% on court and 3pt line, got 5rb, 3ast, 2 stl... look decent to me, only Asik and Parsons can top that stat.
And granted he also got 4 TO but everyone on team has it's share as well (need me to list out the TO stat in here !!!)

I mean why is no one blame Harden for this slump (4/18 - 1/6 if Lin got this kind of stat, ppl will certainly crucify him, literally !!!)
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I am not of LOF but Lin supporter. The numbers are inflated because of 4th quarter - but if you saw the game, he was horrible the first three quarters. I think this was the worst he has played thus far as a rocket. So he definitely dserves criticisim as there is high expectation for him this year.

#1716 Solidz75, Nov 9, 2012
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VanityHalfBlack said: ↑

Harden ain't nothing but a bench player, yeah I said it!!!
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During the first two games,Harden was playing out of the world.Now he is back to the earth.OUGHT! what a hard landing! When he was in Oklahama,he was the best sixth man in the league .In other word,he was the best bench player in the league.

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Maybe that little burst from Lin flipped his switch, he's probably pissed as hell now...

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Second_Cousin said: ↑

Someone wake me up with the Rockets get back to .500

In other words, see you next year.
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You know they play Detroit next right?

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aesthetics80 said: ↑

Also, remember how good this team was in preseason on the break? Lin was making football passes, lots of fast break points, high offensive rating.

After McHale implemented this new offense everything is half court, iso, no up and down or fast breaks. Harden almost always gets the outlet and slowly brings it up court to run that same offensive set so no real chance for full court football passes by Jeremy, one of the things he actually excels in.
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This is probably a product of the short rotation. If we played run and gun, our boys would not be able to play 40 mins each game. Which leads to the question, why use a short...oh never mind. It would be nice if we can get a straight answer from McHale about what he is trying to accomplish now and where he is going moving forward. The fans want to know !

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