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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by stl1622dc, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. stl1622dc

    stl1622dc Member

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    Don't know if anyone posted this (lock if posted), but here is CBS's list of player rankings (100-50). I doubt anyone from the Rockets is making top 50 unless they are really high on Asik.

    Also: Scola is 78; Dragic 75.
     
  2. CCorn

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    Kinda dumb Lin is ranked higher than Martin. Wonder were Lowry will fall on the list.
     
  3. juicystream

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    They obviously didn't watch Scola last year. Can't rebound and can't defend.
     
  4. Roxnostalgia

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    "Our crew of three, who watch every NBA team on a regular basis throughout the season, sat down and evaluated the players using every criteria we could. Past performance, recent production, injury, projected improvement, character isssues, decision making, basketball IQ, advanced metrics, team fit -- everything."

    I agree with the Lin placement being too high. Using their own criteria, you have a small sample size, a new team (team is totally different than Rox team that he interned for), injury...:confused:

    I don't get that at all. Maybe they think our players are THAT bad.
     
  5. Karolik

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    Lin shouldn't be on any list at all right now, he's a big question mark.
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    Martin is a G/F? I don't think he played much F at all, purely a G. He is too skinny to be a G/F, and would not do well with the physical requirements of the G/F experience.
     
  7. roxxy

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    I actually think Lin's presence on this list makes sense. He was playing at a really high level last year. He doesn't need to play like that again this year. I think just being consistent is key at this stage.
     
  8. sidestep

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    lol, John Wall is ranked at 52, and also above Stephen Curry at 54.
     
  9. NL Rocket

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    What's with all the player rankings, guess people really have nothing to do :)
     
  10. roxxy

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    I actually just read the full list. Never mind, this list is complete bogus. Some of the people on this list do not belong.
     
  11. SkyrimOwnsAll

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    reputation
     
  12. SkyrimOwnsAll

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    guess Lowry must be higher on the list didnt see him
     
  13. SkyrimOwnsAll

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    Stephen Curry barely plays because of his ankle injury, but when he does.. he plays pretty damn good
     
  14. kuku

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    Are you basing this on the media or his small sample size?

    If people are base on his 26 games as a starter, the statistical odds are really in his favorite:

    Calculating Deviation

    Lin's stats as a starter 2012
    26 games, PPG 18.46
    Standard Deviation - 7.47 (by entering 26 games individually)

    26 games, APG 7.61
    Standard Deviation - 3.29

    Assuming a standard bell curve distribution:

    - 68% (2/3) of the games he plays, he will score 11-26 points.
    - 68% (2/3) of the games he plays, he will have 3.4-10 assists.
    - 16% (1/6) he will score below 11 points
    - 16% (1/6) above 26 points
    - 16% 3 assists or below
    - 16% 11 asists or above
    - 1/36 he will score less than 11 AND have 3 assists or less.
    - 1/36 he will score 27 or more AND 11 assists or more.

    Lin's statistical confidence for his future PPG and APG.

    By using 26 as sample size, 82 for population, with 90% confidence:
    Lin will not do worse than 14.6/5.7

    You can also counter the above argument with this:
    - He made a drastic improvement from 2010 to 2011.
    - There is no reason NOT to believe he won't improve upon his weaknesses this year.
    - He had to learn on the fly with Knicks, also under new city, coach, and system.

    If that 26-game is not enough of a sample size, what about 0 game?? Our rookies hold alot more question marks than Lin and that's an understatement.
     
  15. jjin15

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    The whole team is a question mark at this point.

    The rookies are unproven and have yet to experience an NBA regular season.
    FA acquired have to repeat their success with their previous organizations in Lin & Asik.
    Previous roster members will also be a question mark in the upcoming season. Will Kevin Martin play at an elevated level this year to make an impact on his stock, or will he continue to regress under the current coaching staff?
    How will Parson's role with the new acquisitions really take place?
    We won't know until the season takes place.
    It's a rebuilding mode, everything is a big question mark in the franchise.
     
  16. apollo33

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    Jeremy lin higher than martin? Nopr
     
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    I think he's the kind of G/F Ronny prefers.
     
  18. formido

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    Thank you Kuku. I love how Lin doubters around the world speak the vocabulary of math without the understanding. They talk about sample size without having the faintest notion of how probabilities and statistics work. Basketball isn't baseball where you can fake your way through an impressive hot streak. Whereas baseball hinges on a small number of plays a game, every basketball game has hundreds of plays. Lin started 26 games of hundreds of plays each. Paraphrasing Kobe, he didn't look like he was struggling out there. He knew what he was doing.

    Folks think Martin is better? Dragic? Lowry? Please review:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

    Lin is 38th. Please point to the place on the first page rankings where you can spot Martin or Dragic or Lowry.

    Let's revisit this thread at the end of the year and see which player is ranked higher. Again. Young new starters tend to get better, not worse.

    And, oh by the way, if you're questioning the accuracy of PER as a player evaluation system, understand that John Hollinger was the #1 forecaster out of 30 pundits on ESPN last year:

    http://blog.pundittracker.com/nba-pundits-2011-12-report-card/

    And, finally, let's address the insipid comments about Lin from the player rating above:

    "One of the biggest questions of next season: Can he match (or top) his breakout year? It's a new system, a new city, and teams will be gameplanning for him now. He struggled toward the end of last year (when he played) after the book got out on how to attack his dribble. Those adjustments will be key for him going forward."

    People knew that Lin's left is weaker than his right from the very beginning. They started game planning for it after only 3 or 4 games. Kyrie Irving played Lin to go left and Lin whopped up on him. Dallas game planned him and he lit them up. Isn't it quite odd that this "game planning" only started working when Carmelo Anthony came back and stopped working when Mike Woodson took over? Perhaps there are far more plausible explanations for Lin's mid-streak struggles than opposing teams "game planning" his left hand. Miami was the only team that was able to game plan and have the personnel to shut down the novice starter Jeremy Lin. Not too shabby considering the circumstances, getting superstar treatment from the NBA champions who just happen to own two of the top 6 PER players of all time and two of the best perimeter defenders of all time, both incredibly motivated to shut him down.
     
  19. felixng2012

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    Curry I can understand but he missed over half of the season due to injury. John Wall has no business being that high up. He was above average this season. Nothing more nothing less. Its true that he plays for a terrible organization that had way too many headcases(before Young and Mcgee got traded away) but you can't put him that high up based on potential alone. He simply did not have that good of a year.
     

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