Two good articles you won't find

Anas acuta · Apr 26, 2012

You don't say........

Legal legend Alan Dershowitz blasted the special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case, accusing her of hiding evidence favorable to defendant George Zimmerman and committing perjury.

“If I were this prosecutor, I’d be hiring a lawyer at this point,” Dershowitz said of Angela Cory, the Florida state attorney and special prosecutor who Gov. Rick Scott appointed to handle the case.

Dershowitz leveled his bombshell charges in an interview Wednesday with Fox News' Megyn Kelly. The Harvard law professor, noted for winning an acquittal of Claus Von Bulow in the case that inspired the film “Reversal of Fortune,” said Cory overreached by charging Zimmerman with second-degree murder. And he said the affidavit she filed in support of the charges was illegal because it did not include evidence favorable to Zimmerman.

“If there are riots, it will be the prosecutor’s fault because she overcharged, raised expectations.”
- Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law professor

“This affidavit submitted by the prosecutor in the Florida case is a crime,” Dershowitz said. “It’s a crime.”

Zimmerman, 28, is a neighborhood watch captain who admits shooting the unarmed 17-year-old Martin on Feb. 26 after a confrontation in the gated community where he lives, but Zimmerman claims he acted in self-defense.

ABC News recently aired a photo purportedly taken minutes after the shooting that shows a bloody wound on the back of Zimmerman’s head. That photo appears to support Zimmerman’s contention that he was being beaten by the teen when he shot him.

But Cory made no mention of Zimmerman’s wounds or photos that might substantiate them when announcing the charge on April 11. Dershowitz said she was obligated to include any and all pertinent evidence.

“If she in fact knew about ABC News’ pictures of the bloody head of Zimmerman and failed to include that in the affidavit, this affidavit is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth,” Dershowitz said. “It’s a perjurious affidavit.”

Even worse, Dershowitz warned that by overcharging Zimmerman, Cory may have planted the seed for riots if he is acquitted, as Dershowitz predicted will happen.

“If there are riots, it will be the prosecutor’s fault because she overcharged, raised expectations,” Dershowitz said. “This prosecutor not only may have suborned perjury, she may be responsible, if there are going to be riots here, for raising expectations to unreasonable levels.”

He said it is quite possible Zimmerman was guilty of a lesser charge, but the affidavit does not support a second-degree murder charge.

“There’s nothing in this affidavit that suggests second-degree murder. The elements of second-degree murder aren’t here."

Dershowitz is not the first legal expert to question the second-degree murder charge. The Florida statute requires proof that the defendant acted in a manner that was “evincing a depraved mind.” Prominent Miami criminal defense attorney John Priovolos told The Associated Press the charge was a “huge overreach” and said Corey will be hard-pressed to show Zimmerman had the “ill will, spite, malice or hatred” needed to prove a “depraved mind.”

If convicted of the second-degree charge, Zimmerman could face a maximum sentence of life in prison. Cory could still add charges, and a jury could eventually convict him of a “lesser included” charge, such as reckless manslaughter.

When announcing the charge, Cory expressed confidence in her team’s case.

"We have to have a reasonable certainty of conviction before filing charges," Cory said.

But Dershowitz said Cory is the one who should be facing charges, arguing that her prosecution of the case has already taken a political turn.

“She was appointed to get Zimmerman,” Dershowitz said

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/2...overreached-with-murder-charge/#ixzz1tADUsBOp
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting

A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.

The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law's dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.

"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.

"Get a gun."

That November, the Zimmermans completed firearms training at a local lodge and received concealed-weapons gun permits. In early December, another source close to them told Reuters, the couple bought a pair of guns. George picked a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm handgun, a popular, lightweight weapon.

By June 2011, Zimmerman's attention had shifted from a loose pit bull to a wave of robberies that rattled the community, called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.

Few of his closest neighbors knew he carried a gun - until two months ago.

On February 26, George Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in what Zimmerman says was self-defense. The furor that ensued has consumed the country and prompted a re-examination of guns, race and self-defense laws enacted in nearly half the United States.

During the time Zimmerman was in hiding, his detractors defined him as a vigilante who had decided Martin was suspicious merely because he was black. After Zimmerman was finally arrested on a charge of second-degree murder more than six weeks after the shooting, prosecutors portrayed him as a violent and angry man who disregarded authority by pursuing the 17-year-old.

But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.

Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.

The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.

A criminal justice student who aspired to become a judge, Zimmerman also concerned himself with the safety of his neighbors after a series of break-ins committed by young African-American men.

Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."

"MIXED" HOUSEHOLD

George Michael Zimmerman was born in 1983 to Robert and Gladys Zimmerman, the third of four children. Robert Zimmerman Sr. was a U.S. Army veteran who served in Vietnam in 1970, and was stationed at Fort Myer in Arlington, Virginia, in 1975 with Gladys Mesa's brother George. Zimmerman Sr. also served two tours in Korea, and spent the final 10 years of his 22-year military career in the Pentagon, working for the Department of Defense, a family member said.

In his final years in Virginia before retiring to Florida, Robert Zimmerman served as a magistrate in Fairfax County's 19th Judicial District.

Robert and Gladys met in January 1975, when George Mesa brought along his army buddy to his sister's birthday party. She was visiting from Peru, on vacation from her job there as a physical education teacher. Robert was a Baptist, Gladys was Catholic. They soon married, in a Catholic ceremony in Alexandria, and moved to nearby Manassas.

Gladys came to lead a small but growing Catholic Hispanic enclave within the All Saints Catholic Church parish in the late 1970s, where she was involved in the church's outreach programs. Gladys would bring young George along with her on "home visits" to poor families, said a family friend, Teresa Post.

"It was part of their upbringing to know that there are people in need, people more in need than themselves," said Post, a Peruvian immigrant who lived with the Zimmermans for a time.

Post recalls evening prayers before dinner in the ethnically diverse Zimmerman household, which included siblings Robert Jr., Grace, and Dawn. "It wasn't only white or only Hispanic or only black - it was mixed," she said.

Zimmerman's maternal grandmother, Cristina, who had lived with the Zimmermans since 1978, worked as a babysitter for years during Zimmerman's childhood. For several years she cared for two African-American girls who ate their meals at the Zimmerman house and went back and forth to school each day with the Zimmerman children.

"They were part of the household for years, until they were old enough to be on their own," Post said.

Zimmerman served as an altar boy at All Saints from age 7 to 17, church members said.

"He wasn't the type where, you know, 'I'm being forced to do this,' and a dragging-his-feet Catholic," said Sandra Vega, who went to high school with George and his siblings. "He was an altar boy for years, and then worked in the rectory too. He has a really good heart."

George grew up bilingual, and by age 10 he was often called to the Haydon Elementary School principal's office to act as a translator between administrators and immigrant parents. At 14 he became obsessed with becoming a Marine, a relative said, joining the after-school ROTC program at Grace E. Metz Middle School and polishing his boots by night. At 15, he worked three part-time jobs - in a Mexican restaurant, for the rectory, and washing cars - on nights and weekends, to save up for a car.

After graduating from Osbourn High School in 2001, Zimmerman moved to Lake Mary, Florida, a town neighboring Sanford. His parents purchased a retirement home there in 2002, in part to bring Cristina, who suffers from arthritis, to a warmer climate.

YOUNG INSURANCE AGENT

On his own at 18, George got a job at an insurance agency and began to take classes at night to earn a license to sell insurance. He grew friendly with a real estate agent named Lee Ann Benjamin, who shared office space in the building, and later her husband, John Donnelly, a Sanford attorney.

"George impressed me right off the bat as just a real go-getter," Donnelly said. "He was working days and taking all these classes at night, passing all the insurance classes, not just for home insurance, but auto insurance and everything. He wanted to open his own office - and he did."

In 2004, Zimmerman partnered with an African-American friend and opened up an Allstate insurance satellite office, Donnelly said.

Then came 2005, and a series of troubles. Zimmerman's business failed, he was arrested, and he broke off an engagement with a woman who filed a restraining order against him.

That July, Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent who was arresting an under-age friend of Zimmerman's at a bar. He avoided conviction by agreeing to participate in a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes.

In August, Zimmerman's fiancee at the time, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds, and both orders were granted. The relationship ended.

In 2007 he married Shellie Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, and in 2009 the couple rented a townhouse in the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman had bounced from job to job for a couple of years, working at a car dealership and a mortgage company. At times, according to testimony from Shellie at a bond hearing for Zimmerman last week, the couple filed for unemployment benefits.

Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred.

On March 22, nearly a month after the shooting and with the controversy by then swirling nationwide, the school issued a press release saying it was taking the "unusual, but necessary" step of withdrawing Zimmerman's enrollment, citing "the safety of our students on campus as well as for Mr. Zimmerman."

A NEIGHBORHOOD IN FEAR

By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.

At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.

In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.

One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.

But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.

On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.

"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.

Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.

After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.

"He was so mellow and calm, very helpful and very, very sweet," she said last week. "We didn't really know George at first, but after the break-in we talked to him on a daily basis. People were freaked out. It wasn't just George calling police ... we were calling police at least once a week."

In September, a group of neighbors including Zimmerman approached the homeowners association with their concerns, she said. Zimmerman was asked to head up a new neighborhood watch. He agreed.

"PLEASE CONTACT OUR CAPTAIN"

Police had advised Bertalan to get a dog. She and her husband decided to move out instead, and left two days before the shooting. Zimmerman took the advice.

"He'd already had a mutt that he walked around the neighborhood every night - man, he loved that dog - but after that home invasion he also got a Rottweiler," said Jorge Rodriguez, a friend and neighbor of the Zimmermans.

Around the same time, Zimmerman also gave Rodriguez and his wife, Audria, his contact information, so they could reach him day or night. Rodriguez showed the index card to Reuters. In neat cursive was a list of George and Shellie's home number and cell phones, as well as their emails.

Less than two weeks later, another Twin Lakes home was burglarized, police reports show. Two weeks after that, a home under construction was vandalized.

The Retreat at Twin Lakes e-newsletter for February 2012 noted: "The Sanford PD has announced an increased patrol within our neighborhood ... during peak crime hours.

"If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."

EMMANUEL BURGESS - SETTING THE STAGE

On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.

"I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.

On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.

Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.
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SamFisher · Apr 26, 2012

I found it pretty easy to find those articles.

They are both posted by major international news services (even if we stretch the definition to include FN)

Why were they so difficult for you to find, so much so that you had to make a new thread about it?

Anas acuta · Apr 26, 2012

SamFisher said: ↑

I found it pretty easy to find those articles.

They are both posted by major international news services (even if we stretch the definition to include FN)

Why were they so difficult for you to find, so much so that you had to make a new thread about it?

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You aren't going to find them posted here for sure. You certainly aren't going to find the media making a big deal out them either.

SamFisher · Apr 26, 2012

Anas acuta said: ↑

You aren't going to find them posted here for sure. You certainly aren't going to find the media making a big deal out them either.
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I am not going to find them here? You just posted them......I just did.

They were published by one of the largest news wire services on teh planet (which means it gets reprinted in hundreds and hundreds of newspapers and other outlets). If that's not "the media" then nothing is.

So, it appears you are demonstrably wrong on both counts.

bnb · Apr 26, 2012

found 'em.

do I get a cookie?

FranchiseBlade · Apr 26, 2012

Another article you won't find

How Does Jesse Jackson Do It?
Posted Wednesday, May 5, 1999, at 6:50 PM ET
The Rev. Jesse Jackson has a long and winning record of springing American hostages from the hands of despots. In addition to Slobodan Milosevic, Jackson has also persuaded Hafez al-Assad, Fidel Castro, and Saddam Hussein to set American captives free. He has alternately described his role in these missions as that of civil rights leader, clergyman, journalist, and "citizen of the world." But how does a non-diplomat negotiate with a foreign government?
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Jackson forayed to Yugoslavia--and to Syria, Cuba, and Iraq before that--without presidential or congressional approval. Foreign policy officials in Washington have protested publicly about all of Jackson's rescue missions. (Jackson's roving diplomacy rankled the Reagan and Bush administrations, but according to some reports, the Clinton administration quietly approved the latest one.)
According to his biographer, Marshall Frady, Jackson simply watches the media coverage of hostage situations like everyone else. But once he decides to get involved, he sets about networking his way into the heart of the conflict. In 1983, he cabled Assad directly to plead for the release of downed pilot Robert Goodman Jr. When Assad failed to respond, Jackson flew to Damascus and worked his way through a tangle of lower-level Syrian bureaucrats before securing a meeting with the Syrian leader. (The success of that mission jumpstarted Jackson's 1984 presidential campaign.)
Extracting foreign detainees from Iraq in 1990 was more complicated. Jackson obtained a letter of invitation from the Iraqi embassy, but the United States imposed restrictions on citizen contact with Iraq. Jackson was planning a TV talk show at the time, and decided to go as a journalist. ("I am a journalist. ... Nobody's talking directly to each other ... so journalists are filling that gap, the diplomatic gap," he told reporters.)
To reach the captured soldiers in Serbia, Jackson first conferred with Yugoslavia's ambassador to the UN in early April and requested a visa to Belgrade. Rep. Rod Blagojevich, a Serbian-American Democrat who serves alongside Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. in Congress, obtained promises of visits with the prisoners and safe passage from the Serb government. Various Serbian-American organizations then helped with travel arrangements and recruited a Milosevic aide to arrange the actual meeting
Jackson may operate independently, but he doesn't work alone. His retinue often includes fellow clergy; in Syria and Yugoslavia, he was joined by an interdenominational group of religious leaders. His 1984 "moral offensive" to Central America and Cuba, which culminated in Castro's release of 49 prisoners, was joined by 63 members of the press and staffed by a dozen aides. These staff members--employees of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, Jackson's Chicago-based organization for social activism--typically coordinate his schedule and plan his press conferences. He has also enlisted a personal doctor, a lawyer to negotiate visas, and two of his sons for missions abroad.
Jackson's forays to Cuba and Serbia were funded by the Citizen Education Fund, a nonprofit subsidiary of Rainbow/PUSH, which is in turn financed by private and corporate sponsors. One of Jackson's individual benefactors, a North Carolina businessman, paid for the his stay in Syria. Jackson's trip to Iraq was underwritten by the media company King World in exchange for the right to broadcast his interview with Hussein on Inside Edition. (Time Warner was originally interested in sponsoring the Iraq mission, but backed down under White House pressure.)
For the record, Jackson actually does hold diplomatic credentials, though they are unrelated to his rescue missions. In 1997, he was appointed special envoy for the president and secretary of state for the promotion of democracy in Africa.
Explainer thanks Dr. Karin Stanford and Jerry Thomas of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and recommends Marshall Frady's Jesse: The Life and Pilgrimage of Jesse Jackson.
This item was written by Jodi Kantor.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1999/05/how_does_jesse_jackson_do_it.html
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Excellent work by Jesse Jackson freeing American servicemen and hostages when Government wasn't able to.

Anas acuta · Apr 26, 2012

Turn the news on tonight. I'm sure you'll see it.

How typical of you to focus on the something else besides the point of the article.

Anas acuta · Apr 26, 2012

FranchiseBlade said: ↑

Another article you won't find

Excellent work by Jesse Jackson freeing American servicemen and hostages when Government wasn't able to.
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All the other jackazz antics he's pulled overshadows all that. Just like in my line of work. One *****up ruins 100 atta'boys.

Nook · Apr 26, 2012

More detail than most other articles rehashing the same five points.. Still not sure why this deserves it's own thread.

SamFisher · Apr 26, 2012

Anas acuta said: ↑

Turn the news on tonight. I'm sure you'll see it.
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See what? A wire service article? No, they generally don't hold up print articles for viewers to read in most newscasts. That's for sure. Or is there some other point you're trying to make?

How typical of you to focus on the something else besides the point of the article.
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??? I think we established the point of this thread was that we couldn't find these articles, which is why you put it in the title - or else you would have put them in the other thread - correct?

mc mark · Apr 26, 2012

I believe both of these articles have been posted in the Trayvon thread.

Anas acuta · Apr 26, 2012

mc mark said: ↑

I believe both of these articles have been posted in the Trayvon thread.
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The dumbass got too strong for me in there. Had to vacate.

juicystream · Apr 26, 2012

Anas acuta said: ↑

The dumbass got too strong for me in there. Had to vacate.
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Thank you for making it one less dumbass.

RedRedemption · Apr 26, 2012

Anas acuta said: ↑

The dumbass got too strong for me in there. Had to vacate.
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Yeah. All those damned liberals defending Trayvon just because he's black. How dare they oppose the (half)master race?

trueroxfan · Apr 26, 2012

RedRedemption said: ↑

Yeah. All those damned liberals defending Trayvon just because he's black. How dare they oppose the (half)master race?
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What's actually troubling is the attacks on people who are standing up for Zimmerman. Even worse is the people who are undecided and would like to hear factual evidence that hasn't been made available to the public nor THE DEFENDENT, are being attacked as well.

I left that thread a long time ago as well because it came down to 2 guys standing up for Zimmerman and everyone else bashing them and calling them racists. Say what you will about those posters and your opinion of them, but not everyone is a racist just because they don't agree with the media's portrayal of the suspect.

While this thread may seem unnecessary to you, the contents are actually quite valuable. You may have been able to find them by searching, but this information was not reported on the major news networks or newspapers. They put it on the front page when it fit their race-tensions agenda, but when there is evidence that could disprove that theory it's way in the back behind a story of a cat who can juggle.

RocketRaccoon · Apr 26, 2012

trueroxfan said: ↑

What's actually troubling is the attacks on people who are standing up for Zimmerman. Even worse is the people who are undecided and would like to hear factual evidence that hasn't been made available to the public nor THE DEFENDENT, are being attacked as well.

I left that thread a long time ago as well because it came down to 2 guys standing up for Zimmerman and everyone else bashing them and calling them racists. Say what you will about those posters and your opinion of them, but not everyone is a racist just because they don't agree with the media's portrayal of the suspect.

While this thread may seem unnecessary to you, the contents are actually quite valuable. You may have been able to find them by searching, but this information was not reported on the major news networks or newspapers. They put it on the front page when it fit their race-tensions agenda, but when there is evidence that could disprove that theory it's way in the back behind a story of a cat who can juggle.
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repped.

FranchiseBlade · Apr 26, 2012

trueroxfan said: ↑

What's actually troubling is the attacks on people who are standing up for Zimmerman. Even worse is the people who are undecided and would like to hear factual evidence that hasn't been made available to the public nor THE DEFENDENT, are being attacked as well.

I left that thread a long time ago as well because it came down to 2 guys standing up for Zimmerman and everyone else bashing them and calling them racists. Say what you will about those posters and your opinion of them, but not everyone is a racist just because they don't agree with the media's portrayal of the suspect.

While this thread may seem unnecessary to you, the contents are actually quite valuable. You may have been able to find them by searching, but this information was not reported on the major news networks or newspapers. They put it on the front page when it fit their race-tensions agenda, but when there is evidence that could disprove that theory it's way in the back behind a story of a cat who can juggle.
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Then pay closer attention. There are several who disagree with the Zimmerman defenders, but haven't called them racists.

I will say that gwayneco posts as much if not more about the race than anyone else in this thread. It's crazy. He's all up in arms because some people dared to think race might be an issue. What is it with some folks that go crazy when race is brought up?

ROXTXIA · Apr 26, 2012

Anas acuta, bigtexx, AroundtheWorld, gwayneco, and basso are all gonna start a Blindly and Rabidly Conservative Meetup group soon:

We meet at different restaurants each Wednesday night, rant, eat good food, rant, drink beer, and rant! Come one come all (except liberals)!!

trueroxfan · Apr 26, 2012

FranchiseBlade said: ↑

Then pay closer attention. There are several who disagree with the Zimmerman defenders, but haven't called them racists.

I will say that gwayneco posts as much if not more about the race than anyone else in this thread. It's crazy. He's all up in arms because some people dared to think race might be an issue. What is it with some folks that go crazy when race is brought up?
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Like I said, I got out a long time ago. Once I (so I thought) had made my point clear that no one knew either way what happened that night, and until the police or the prosecutors decided to release all the information (which they didn't put in the affidavit) everything argued was all based on hearsay, misinformation by the media, and assumptions.

You're right, there are people who didn't acuse people of racism. There were many who got very personal with those who disagreed with them.

What is it with people going crazy when the race card is unjustly played? Played so hard in fact that the chances of a fair trial are questioned?

juicystream · Apr 26, 2012

trueroxfan said: ↑

What's actually troubling is the attacks on people who are standing up for Zimmerman. Even worse is the people who are undecided and would like to hear factual evidence that hasn't been made available to the public nor THE DEFENDENT, are being attacked as well.

I left that thread a long time ago as well because it came down to 2 guys standing up for Zimmerman and everyone else bashing them and calling them racists. Say what you will about those posters and your opinion of them, but not everyone is a racist just because they don't agree with the media's portrayal of the suspect.

While this thread may seem unnecessary to you, the contents are actually quite valuable. You may have been able to find them by searching, but this information was not reported on the major news networks or newspapers. They put it on the front page when it fit their race-tensions agenda, but when there is evidence that could disprove that theory it's way in the back behind a story of a cat who can juggle.
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They are links to major News Networks. How about the fact that this was on MSNBC?

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NY Post

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/zimm_own_black_roots_drive_to_aid_acj8TBRV1K2T3VbQZYo9JK

Edit: I'm not sure how people can defend someone that followed and killed an unarmed teenager who was walking home from the store.

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