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25 year old man murdered in Georgia for jogging while black

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  1. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

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    If McMichaels, in retirement, thinks its acceptable to hold up citizens at gunpoint, what kind of hijinx had he been up to back when he had a badge?
     
  2. Reeko

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    The I-TEAM learned Tuesday that Gregory McMichael spent many years of his tenure with the District Attorneys Office without maintaining a proper certification to be a law enforcement officer.

    Personnel records obtained by News4Jax show that in 2014, McMichael faced suspension of his certification with the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council. Because of his deficit in training hours, McMichael had not had arrest powers since 2006.

    McMichael had to turn in his badge, gun and keys and was not allowed to serve subpoenas or work in the field in any manner.

    In a 2014 email to District Attorney Jackie Johnson, another investigator with the District Attorney investigator who Johnson tasked to look into the issue told her because he didn’t have arrest powers and had not had them since Jan 2006 “liability for any improper actions by Greg would fall on Greg, the District Attorneys Office and you personally.”

    We reached out to Johnson to find out if McMichael made arrests or if the state faced lawsuits as a result of the oversight. We did not hear back at the time of publication.

    McMichael was ultimately granted a waiver from Georgia POST and allowed to continue on as an investigator with her office after Jackie Johnson personally addressed the council on his behalf.

    In a letter to then POST Director Mitch Jones, Jackie Johnson thanked him for the council’s decision to grant the waiver to Mr. McMichael so that he could continue to serve as an investigator with her office.

    “This situation has been a great embarrassment to me and to investigator McMichael. It has negatively impacted my office, and I have taken measures to ensure that this doesn’t happen again. Please accept my sincere apology,” wrote Johnson in 2014.

    McMichael had his certification suspended by the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council in 2019 for again failing to maintain training, this time for 2018.

    McMichael was allowed to stay with the District Attorney’s Office as a staff liaison and report to work at the Camden County District attorney’s Office until his retirement in June 2019. McMichael was not allowed to carry a firearm, badge or operate any vehicle with lights, sirens or police radio.

    let’s look at this DA Jackie Johnson...

    Two Glynn County commissioners say District Attorney Jackie Johnson’s office refused to allow the Glynn County Police Department to make arrests immediately after the Feb. 23 shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery.

    “The police at the scene went to her, saying they were ready to arrest both of them. These were the police at the scene who had done the investigation,” Commissioner Allen Booker, who has spoken with Glynn County police, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “She shut them down to protect her friend McMichael.”

    Greg McMichael, now retired, once worked as an investigator in Johnson’s office.

    Commissioner Peter Murphy, who also said he spoke directly to Glynn County police about the incident, said officers at the scene concluded they had probable cause to make arrests and contacted Johnson’s office to inform the prosecutor of their decision.

    “They were told not to make the arrest,” Murphy said.

    Johnson recused herself from the case within days of the shooting.
     
  3. JuanValdez

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    @Reeko, according to this article, DA Johnson said she told officers she wouldn't advise because of her conflict and referred them to DA Barnhill, and that it was Barnhill (who wrote that letter upon his recusal stating his logic) who advised the police not to make an arrest. Obviously, there's going to be a lot of CYA among Georgia DAs now, so it's going to need its own investigation.
     
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  4. Reeko

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    Barnhill knowing that he had a conflict of interest and bias towards the McMicheals which meant he would have to recuse himself, yet still writing a letter justifying the murder and explaining why they shouldn’t be charged before he recused himself seems ridiculously unethical

    Are u a prosecutor, or the McMichael’s defense attorney?
     
  5. Reeko

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    the 3rd DA Tom Durden wanted to wait until mid-June for a grand jury to determine whether charges were warranted...he was also holding off on arresting them

    thank God the GBI got involved, said “enough of this fckery,” and immediately arrested and charged them

    the lawyer for Roddy, the guy who filmed the murder, basically said on CNN that corruption is rampant down there...now they need to determine the extent of Roddy’s involvement in this murder because the McMichaels said in their statement that he was the one who initially blocked off Arbery’s path...sounds like an accomplice or accessory to me

    Roddy and his lawyer are trying to claim that they have no relationship with the McMichaels and he wasn’t involved

    if there was no video, they would’ve never been an arrest, never been any charges, and the McMichaels would’ve just continued to live their lives...it’s so disgusting
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So does this mean that the McMichael supporters can no longer use Arbery's past discretions against Arbery?
     
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  7. Reeko

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    they won’t stop, it’s the only thing they have to try and make an argument for a legal citizen’s arrest...basically use his past to explain why it would be right to assume he was committing a crime even if u didn’t actually witness him doing so making the citizen’s arrest the right thing to do
     
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    @dachuda86 and @Trader_Jorge support the belief that anyone who sees anyone who they think is up to no good, they can go grab and load their guns, ride their car and pursuit and block their way. then go down with loaded gun on their hand and question and detain them. perfectly fine, normal, and legal.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Awesome. That means I can tail down and block those god damn left lane horders on the freeway with my gun. It's not legal at least in my state of residence.
     
  10. Andre0087

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    Now that I think about it, I've never seen on the news or otherwise black folks making a citizen arrest. That's way too risky...
     
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    It’s impossible to talk about the Ahmaud Arbery case without also talking about the rampant corruption in the Golden Isles, particularly by the Glynn County Police Department. A soap opera could hardly keep up.

    Jackie Johnson’s tenure as the District Attorney of the Brunswick Judicial Circuit began in 2010, when she announced her intent to run for the District Attorney position on June 21 and enlisted GCPD Chief Doering to help.

    She was taking advantage of tumultuous circumstances: just three days prior, Caroline Small was shot to death in her car by two GCPD officers, Cody Sasser and Michael Simpson.

    Small, a recently divorced mother of two, was pursued by the officers on a slow-speed chase that never exceeded 35 mph after she was suspected of doing drugs in her car. After the officers blew out her tires, Small moved to drive forward, and the officers shot her eight times in the head and face. Sasser was recorded as saying, “I hit her right in the face.”

    When Small was killed, the Brunswick Judicial Circuit was in a state of flux. David Perry was the acting DA and intended on prosecuting the officers. When Johnson was appointed to the position by then-Governor Sonny Perdue in August, her first act was to fire Perry and take over the Small case herself.

    Sasser and Simpson were not punished and allowed to stay on the force.

    In May 2018, promoted to Lieutenant two years before, Sasser was charged with battery and trespassing for forcing himself into his estranged wife’s home. When GCPD officers tried to take him into custody, Sasser led them on a nine-hour standoff that culminated in Sasser injuring two officers.

    He was arrested for the assault, but a judge gave him bond, despite his violation of his bond in the domestic violence arrest. One of the officers that Sasser injured was not permitted to testify at his bond hearing—a decision made by DA Jackie Johnson. The officer, investigator Joseph Hyer, would have opposed the prosecution’s plan to let Sasser avoid jail.

    A month later, on June 28, Sasser shot and killed his estranged wife and her male friend, and then himself.

    Sasser’s attorney was Alan David Tucker, whose name you may recognize as the Brunswick lawyer who leaked the video of the McMichaels gunning down Arbery.

    Tucker released the video, which is certainly the reason this case is seeing any action, to dispel the “speculation...and outright lies” surrounding the event.

    But wait, there’s more. Back in 2016, Brunswick public defender Kevin Gough was fired after going on record claiming that DA Johnson was holding cases hostage.

    In the first quarter of the year, Johnson had only filed 71 cases with his office, as opposed to 261 cases in the same period of 2015. Gough, who was up for reappointment, claimed that Johnson was attempting to wait him out of office, then flooding the new public defender with cases. Johnson denied the claims through a statement, and Gough was let go.

    In response, he threatened a hunger strikeuntil the demands of the Brunswick NAACP—a list of steps that would help achieve prosecutorial injustice for indigent defendants—were met.

    It’s not clear how the hunger strike ended, but Gough is now representing William “Roddie” Bryan, who took the video of Ahmaud Arbery being shot.

    Still with me? In 2019, the Glynn-Brunswick Narcotics Enforcement Team was disbanded after an investigation foundGCPD officer James Cassada was having sex and doing meth and cocaine with an informant to the task force.

    That explosive case came to a close on Feb. 28—five days after Arbery’s death—with the indictment of GCPD chief John Powell, officers David Hassler and David Matthew Haney, and Vidalia Police Chief Brian Scott, formerly of the GCPD.

    We haven’t even talked about the mysterious death of Glynn County Commissioner Tom Sublett in 2011, whose body was found floating in the river with his hands zip-tied in front of him and a bullet wound in his head, but whose death was ruled a suicide.

    We also haven’t talked about Judge Amanda Williams, the chief judge of the Superior Court of the Brunswick Judicial Circuit who stepped down in December 2011 after a flurry of misconduct accusations.

    We also haven’t talked about the lack of justice for the case of Taylor Williams, who was stabbed to death in 2015 by a man who only got slapped with a charge for tampering with evidence.

    And these are just the cases that have been reported. Imagine all the other cases that aren’t reported, whose families don’t see justice, of which videos don’t make it all the way to Shaun King for a call-out and eventual action.

    It’s exceedingly clear that the GCPD and DA Jackie Johnson seek to protect each other at all costs. Arbery’s case simply exposed, on a national level, the corruption of this neck of the woods.

    This case has the potential to change the way things work in Glynn County and in Georgia itself.

    these are the people Dachode and Trader_Hohe will believe wholeheartedly...
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    Lol if there is a black individual brave enough to do an armed citizen's arrest on a white person, they got some impressive cojones and also probably aren't that bright also.
     
  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The Clintons have been busy
     
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    Yep. Laws like “citizens arrest” and “stand your ground” were designed with the idea that a black person would be the suspect, not the law abiding citizen.
     
  15. El_Conquistador

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    I mean, that's essentially what Arbery attempted to do to McMichael when he rushed him, assaulted him, and tried to wrestle the gun away, isn't it?
     
  16. edwardc

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    The right thing to do was to call the Cops and let them sort it out.
     
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    No. Are you trolling? In this analogy Arbery would be the guy driving on the left lane and clogging it up and being chased down with a guy with a firearm because of it. The equivalent reaction for the driver on the left lane would be him panicking because he sees a guy chasing him down with a gun and ramming into the car of the armed guy chasing him down and the armed guy decides to shoot the left lane driver.
     
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    White robes of justice.
     
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    HOLY ****!

    I had read some stuff on Sasser but I did not know they just let him go before the killing.

    What the hell was going on down there.
     
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