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Texans trade DeAndre Hopkins to Arizona

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  1. King1

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    I hope they are paying well
     
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    According to John/Lance Z Hopkins seldom practiced with the team, so this isn’t a surprise.
     
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    Agreed, there is really no way to explain this. The idea of trading Hopkins isn't necessarily crazy. It is the fact that they took an offer that was undesirable while holding all of the leverage. Maybe that is all the Texans were being offered RIGHT NOW. Doesn't mean that won't change once the season/draft have ended. Basically you keep Hopkins and hope it works out unless you get a deal that you love. Even if you know you are going to trade the guy no matter what, you never let it known to other teams. That is when you lose all leverage and that is what happened here. O'Brien is a joke when it comes to negotiating 101 which is why he will fail.
     
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    I guess less optimistic. Below sums up my thoughts from a comment section in that article. I say lacking motivation and focus after getting paid is what caused his terrible season. I watched hard knocks of the Cardinals a couple of years ago and DJ seemed like way too nice of a guy and soft emotionally. His wife was a typical spolied white girl and he was whipped. He was physically a beast and didn't seem to shy away from contact even in practice but maybe the mental softness he has caused him to now be physically soft, especially after injuries started to pile up.

    Reminds of Rashard Mendenhall or Kellena Azubuike. "Body like Tarzan but plays like Jane" quote by Tubby Smith. Not to mention he is very intellectual and probably wants to enjoy his life with his family and body/mind still in tact once his playing days are over. I am sure his wife tells him that all of the time.

    My only hope is that he develops a chip on his shoulder like he did as a rookie to prove me and other doubters wrong about him. He can at at least honor his contract and the Texans by taking a chance on him and get that fire back that he once had as a rookie. I don't believe for one second that he has lost any sort of skill. Maybe a little speed but not much. Texans should use him as a receiver in the slot and out of the backfield a ton as he is as talented as a Marshall Faulk/Brian Westbrook type back if he gets that fire back but that is likely wishful thinking which makes this such a bad trade.

    Great guy, lots of talent. However, he makes business decisions on the field and takes many plays off. He got paid and lost motivation. Lacks general focus. Hope for his sake he comes alive again in Houston….but to be honest, after watching his regression up close here in AZ, I expect him to be cut by the Texans after the season and done in the NFL.
     
  5. J.R.

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    As Hopkins, 27, sat down at his locker after the game, surrounded by silence and his teammates, he had two thoughts: that the Texans had given their long-suffering fan base a future to look forward to and that they would need to end their string of playoff disappointments without him. The wideout had spoken to his family throughout the season about his desire to start over, with a new team, and, more specifically, with a new boss. He believed that Bill O’Brien, the lone NFL coach to also hold a general manager title, had been shopping him for more than a year.

    That January afternoon at Arrowhead Stadium he tugged off his jersey, met with reporters and crisscrossed the corridors until he found his mother, Sabrina Greenlee. “We talked about this before the year,” she told him. “I know you guys had success as a team and you got further than in the past. But if you’re ready to go, I will be your No. 1 supporter.”

    Anyone who knew Hopkins, his story and his relationship with O’Brien would understand, he thought. At that point, though, few did. His Houston tenure was over, despite the teammates he loved, the quarterback he bonded with and the city that had become his adopted home. What Hopkins knew was, “that asking for a little raise would lead to the outcome that I got,” he says, “which is the outcome that I wanted.”

    Hopkins took the call from O’Brien while working out with Julio Jones in Los Angeles. Their initial reaction? “We both smiled,” Hopkins says. The coach adopted a businesslike approach for the brief exchange, his tone and message exactly what the receiver had expected, given the tenor of their interactions over the past six seasons. “There was no relationship,” Hopkins says. “Make sure you put that in there. There’s not a lot to speak about.”

    Watson, meanwhile, had just finished his own workout with his private quarterbacks coach, Quincy Avery, who saw dozens of messages about the trade when he picked up his phone. Avery told Watson, who thought he was joking. The quarterback ran to grab his own device and sat down immediately, trying to make sense of the news; even he was shocked. “Wow,” Watson said, over and over, before posting a Drake lyric on Twitter, the one that resonated across the NFL: “iconic duos rip and split at the seams.”

    As Irvin assessed the trade from afar, he continued to feel as if he wasn’t hearing the full story. This divorce, like most divorces but especially sports breakups, couldn’t have been just about money. Every player on every team wants more. So Irvin spoke to Hopkins, who said all the right things, about respecting O’Brien and wanting a new start. But Hopkins also phoned back two days later, and in that call they discussed an earlier meeting with O’Brien that helped explain why he had wanted out. It took place during last season, which was odd because O’Brien and Hopkins had rarely met privately before. Hopkins can’t recall his coach ever asking about his personal life, or expressing concerns about his off-field choices. But in that meeting Hopkins told Irvin that, in reference to Hopkins’s friends, O’Brien brought up another player he had coached, former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, the convicted murderer who hanged himself in prison. O’Brien also used the term “baby mothers” to refer to the mothers of Hopkins’s three children, two boys and a girl. (He is not married.) O’Brien confidants say they doubt the coach used those exact words. But because the men lacked depth in their relationship, the sentiments that O’Brien expressed didn’t come across as genuine concerns for Hopkins and his well-being. They seemed like answers to why they had no relationship in the first place. They felt like judgments, from a coach who didn’t seem to care about him—plus the outdated contract.

    Hopkins doesn’t deny the meeting but prefers to not delve deeper, saying only, “If I let the judgment of other people dictate the reality of my life, I wouldn’t be in the position I’m in now.” O’Brien, citing a similar desire to avoid a public back-and-forth, declined to comment beyond, “We wish him the very best in Arizona.”

    Once Irvin shared the meeting’s contents on ESPN, anonymous sources began to paint a picture of Hopkins as a malcontent who had started to decline. Hopkins believes the sources hoped to tarnish his name and justify a trade that had been widely panned.

    Hopkins did address some of the anonymous criticisms with SI. But first, he said, “Obviously, we know where all that’s coming from.”

    He didn’t practice often enough. Hopkins says that stems mostly from 2018, when he tore ligaments in his left ankle, requiring tightrope surgery; suffered other maladies (like turf toe); and was iffy to play most of the season, missing practices but no games. Notably, the Texans won nine straight in his best pro campaign, making it hard to argue his absences hurt his team. “No evidence,” Hopkins says. “Go back and check the practice film.”

    He hung with the wrong crowd. Hopkins laughs and says his best friend and housemate is his cousin, D.J. Greenlee, a marketer for a sports agency in California. He spends time with fashion and furniture designers, architects, developers, family and fellow athletes. Business leaders send him books to read. The latest: Extreme Ownership, How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win. The volume is fitting, given the events of this spring, because Hopkins says it details how the best teams come together. The relevant takeaway? The necessity of organizational alignment.

    His play dipped in 2019, when his yards after the catch and yards per target went down. That ignores mitigating factors. Speedy wideouts Kenny Stills and Will Fuller both missed significant time, allowing defenses to consistently double Hopkins. He still caught 104 passes, still gained 1,165 receiving yards and still had a catch percentage (69.3) that nearly matched his high, from a year earlier (70.6). Most No. 1 receivers would consider that a career year. All for a playoff T-E-A-M, he says.

    What goes unmentioned is that Hopkins loved Houston, was only 20 when the Texans drafted him, that he became a leader and a mentor, immersed himself in the community, stood up for those who could not stand for themselves, found a quarterback he believed in and led Houston to the postseason four times. It’s not the city he has an issue with—and he’s not the person the fan base now targets with its ire. A Change.org petition seeking the ouster of O’Brien has more than 23,000 signatures.

    Hopkins can’t help but think what he might have accomplished with Watson had they played their entire careers together, two kids from Clemson with strong ties to single mothers who had battled the worst that life could heave at them, now scrapping with Mahomes for AFC supremacy as a new NFL era dawned. Hopkins will still root for Watson. “Deshaun is going to be amazing without me,” he says.

    As for O’Brien? The anonymous sources? Teams have different philosophies, Hopkins says, and he must respect them. “The Patriots”—where O’Brien was an assistant—“win championships without a highly paid receiver,” Hopkins says. “Some of those philosophies do work.”

    Hopkins called his mother as those anonymous sources drilled holes in his reputation. “I’m not perfect,” he told her. “I’ve made mistakes. But after what we’ve been through . . .” He trailed off. She knew.
     
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    While Hopkins dealt with the aftermath of his trade, he leaned on what he has always stood for. He knew, even as an impoverished child in South Carolina, that he was different. Gifted, sure. But more than that. He didn’t dress like the other children in his neighborhood; he scoured discount stores to find colorful scarves and brand-name shirts. He argued for individuality and racial equality with anyone who disagreed. He grew dreadlocks because he discovered a widespread policy that people who wore them could still be discriminated against at work. For his individuality, he believes that he was judged long before he ever sat in O’Brien’s office.

    “That’s what happens, especially in America,” Hopkins says. “That’s why I wear my hair up with pride, because I know that we, as people, drew strength from our hair. I will never cut [mine] because I know who I am. And there’s power in knowing exactly who I am.”

    Hopkins always told teammates to make their own decisions, that they didn’t have to wear gold chains because other players did, but that if they wanted to, they should. When Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during the national anthem in 2016 to protest police brutality and racial inequality, Hopkins went out and grabbed 10 Kap jerseys. He caught flak from what he calls “those racist Russian bots” on social media but displayed his respect for the message publicly, with pride.

    Then came the week that embodied DeAndre Hopkins, that foreshadowed how he would handle the trade this spring. Before the Texans played in Seattle that October, ESPN released a story, quoting Houston’s owner, the late Bob McNair, telling his fellow billionaires in a leaguewide meeting that “we can’t have inmates running the prison,” regarding anthem protests. Hopkins left the team’s facility the day that news surfaced, telling teammates who had said they’d join him, “S---, pack y’all stuff then.” As he walked out, Hopkins says he felt great, light, that he had done the right thing regardless of the consequences.

    Hopkins denounced the comments, saying he couldn’t sugarcoat his feelings: that he felt like a slave, that this was a master ordering his workers back to the fields. But even then he showed empathy to McNair, who Hopkins noted was older and from the South, where Hopkins knew firsthand how deeply entrenched the more troubling history of America really was. Even now, without excusing McNair’s comment, Hopkins says that McNair was a good man who changed Hopkins’s life and that he hopes McNair rests in peace. Hopkins showed more understanding for McNair’s background than O’Brien would show for his. “Of course, [the inmates comment] was bulls---,” Hopkins says. “But I’m not going to feed into the negativity. America is built on certain values, and some of those values aren’t in the interest of people [like me]. That’s just the world we live in.”

    Throughout his career, just as in that moment, Hopkins continued to define himself, rather than allow others to define him. He has helped his mother start a nonprofit to aid survivors of domestic violence. He dived into interior design, having planned an offseason work trip to Italy this spring before the coronavirus swept across the world. He wants to mock up more comfortable, more functional office chairs for a nation of cubicle dwellers checking on their fantasy football teams. And he says he’s closing in on starting his own business, where he will team up with the luxury brand Golden Goose, a company that he says understands that imperfection can equal uniqueness, that voice is important, that someone like him can create something more timeless than even his football career.

    He’s a reader, a designer, an activist—and a football player. Did that hasten his exit from Houston? He doesn’t say that. But he does say that anyone who thinks such individuality might hinder success on the field should check out the career of LeBron James. “I don’t think anyone would dare say he’s hurting the team,” Hopkins says.
     
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    Friends have tried to make Hopkins feel better, calling the trade the worst in the history of Houston sports. He appreciates the sentiments, but in a way they’re no different to him than the barbs coming from those anonymous sources. Instead, a quote from one mentor resonated more than any other. What happened yesterday isn’t real.

    “Meaning,” Hopkins says, “that no matter what happens, you have to move forward.”

    Anger won’t help him in Arizona, which is why he’s not demanding a new contract, even though both sides are working toward one that might make him the highest-paid nonquarterback in the NFL. A presumably friendlier coach in Kliff Kingsbury should help. So will a cast of talented teammates, including Larry Fitzgerald, the future Hall of Fame receiver; speedy wideout Christian Kirk; versatile running back Kenyan Drake; and another dazzling young quarterback in Kyler Murray, the 2019 Offensive Rookie of the Year. The Cardinals finished tied for 16th in scoring last season, with a first-year coach and QB—before adding DeAndre Hopkins. “Obviously, the game is changing,” he says. “The Chiefs won the Super Bowl with the kind of offense we have.”

    Due to COVID-19 restrictions, Hopkins won’t be able to work out with Murray this spring. Weeks passed before he could take his physical, but Hopkins passed, as did David Johnson, making the deal official. He can’t yet move to the Phoenix area because of the same precautions. But he’s not worried. He never is. The first thing he did after the trade was donate $150,000 to coronavirus relief efforts in his new state. “I’m a stress-free person,” he says. “I live in the present. I only care about this T-E-A-M.”

    A shot at O’Brien, a look to the future and the same theme again bubbling to the surface. “Change is good,” Hopkins says. “It’s not weird, this time we’re living in, because if you’re spiritual, you understand that right now it is time to change.” No one could have predicted what’s happening, he says, lamenting the deaths and the restrictions. “That’s never good,” he continues. “But I see the world coming together, organizations and people working to help and protect each other. We’ve never had anything like that, either, for humanity to pull together like it is now.”

    “Peace and love,” he says as he hangs up, on another afternoon when yesterday wasn’t real but tomorrow surely will be.
     
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    Good lord that is some horrid run blocking.
     
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    Didn’t seem to bother any of the other rb’s on the roster much
     
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    What a selfish individual!

    =) that cover tho.. very Kobe-ish 2008?
     
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    The *only* devils advocate stance in support of BOB, I think, is that you don’t *need* a top 5 WR to win a SB. Outside of Moss, NE never really had it. Looking over past SB winners, some teams had top 5ish WRs but not an overwhelming about. I suppose that it’s not ridiculous to say that a top 3 (and top dollar) WR just isn’t required to win a SB. It doesn’t excuse selling Hop for peanuts, but I do understand the rationale of not having a large fraction of cap space tied to one WR. I get that. It doesn’t make the trade itself any better or palatable...but I understand it from a roster construction standpoint. Still a horrendous trade and we should have kept him since he’s more valuable than the 2/4/Johnson we received...but just a thought.

    Edit: the most damning quote of the article was Hop saying “there was no relationship...put that in there”. That confirms (to me, at least) that this trade wasn’t just about a raise or even cap structure (see above). It was primarily about BOBs ego. This sucks.
     
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    Hopkins ~$20M >>>> Cooks/Cobb $18M
    Hopkins ~$20M >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David/Duke Johnson $15M
    Hopkins ~$20M >>>>>>>>>> Whatever premium you're gonna pay for 8 games of Will Fuller
     
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    It’d be cool if we had a single local journalist that would hold this clowns feet to the fire.
     
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    This pretty much sums it up for me as well. If we get a productive started somehow with the 40th pick the Cooks/Cobb/40th pick/David Johnson = DeAndre Hopkins maybe? Not likely but if Texans can pull off a productive starter at #40 then maybe that helps but still don't see us being a contender unless 3/4ths of the receiving corps is healthy all year and David Johnson provides more production than Carlos Hyde did last year similar to his rookie year. Then add that the 40th pick must be a productive starter right off the bat and maybe B'oB has pulled off a decent trade. That is A TON of what ifs though and I still think it is well worth it to pay a non-diva receiver $20Mil per year in his ****ing prime.
     
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    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-there-was-no-relationship-bill-obrien-texans

    LOL from ESPN article. It's so easy to manipulate BoB.

    "There was no relationship," Hopkins told SI of O'Brien. "Make sure you put that in there. There's not a lot to speak about."

    Hopkins told the magazine that he knew how to get out of the situation in Houston. Hopkins said that by "asking for a little raise" the team likely would instead shop him.

    "Which is the outcome that I wanted," Hopkins told SI.
     
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    What does that have to do with the run blocking on that one play?
     
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    considering its the same line used for the others I'd say a lot
     
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    Commenting on that single play alone. Nothing about DJ, other RBs or OL in general.
     

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