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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Nook

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    Information from the PRC is worthless.

    The CCP isn’t even allowing the publication of studies on COVID19 without approval of the ministry of health. They are carefully controlling what information does and does not get out.
     
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    Why is it that he wears the preferred separate atmosphere hazmat suit in one sketch but goes back to the skimpy three piece goggle, mask and cap?
     
  3. Nook

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    This, and now the CCP is not allowing the publication of research papers without approval of the CCP. They are primarily concerned about saving face and everything else is secondary.
     
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    “If you’re even going to consider a relaxation of this stringent physical separation, you absolutely have to have in place the capability,” he said. “That means easy testing, widely available, the people committed to doing the identification, isolation and contact tracing, the facilities to isolate people.”

    https://time.com/5818134/anthony-fauci-never-shake-hands-coronavirus/
     
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    I wish I could have direct communication with people who are responding back to me. I was about to write responses to various people, but it's simply too frustrating to do it without being able to respond back to people relatively quickly or without nuance. The issue is that if people think I'm disagreeing with them online then I believe they think it puts me into some sort of different political spectrum as well. I may be incorrect in my assumption, but I don't think I am. Anyhow....maybe I'll make a vid mañana.......
     
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    Imagine if it also had an incubation period like rabies? 1-6 months?
    With global travel half the world's population could be infected before we even realised something was up.

    We not only need to invest in disease control but in research.
    To find more antiviral drugs.
    Vaccines.
    Use and develop Artificial Intelligence.
    Look at us now. Our best hopes are failed drugs for other viruses and some old and ancient medicines and vaccines we don't even understand well how they work.

    Meanwhile recently they fed the data base of thousands of failed or abandoned drug molecules on an AI and in a week, it already found 4 new antibiotics that could deal with the superresistant bacteria.

    But the % of "failed" drug trials has gone up immensely in the last 2 decades compared to the previous 2.
    Not because science has gone worse, but because of limited funding.
    Because there wasn't enough immediate profit,immediate results, the pharma companies abandoned the projects altogether.
    They didn't look from the start like the "jackpot" so they were thrown in the garbage bin.

    If there was more funding one of these abandoned drugs too , could be the answer we are looking for, it could save millions of lives.

    Unfortunately human knowledge is limited. We have to keep walking and searching our way blind and it takes too much money, resources and time.
     
  8. bloodwings19

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    As much as I like his prediction, he could of use his wealth to create labs and make preventive equipment. He just relied on the government to take the first step. Action speaks louder than words.
     
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    The Easter Bunny was deemed an essential worker.
     
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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    They absolutely do.

    Bill & Melinda Gates foundation has been in this global health business for years and have spend plenty. As for Covid19, some latest example:

    Seattle flu study was the private entity that found the first community spread in the US (In Seattle). That group was sponsored by the Gate foundation in 2018 to learn about how flu spread and to detect them early quickly transformed to now handling Covid19, including working on home test kits.

    On 2/15, $100m to global response effort to Covid19

    On 4/2, will spend Billions to build factories for 7 promising covid19 vaccine candidates
     
  13. Nook

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    I don’t know if this is directed in part towards me but I didn’t really view it from a political perspective only that I believe you have been overly optimistic in regards to the virus post lockdown.

    People are going to violate CDC/government suggestions.... beaches are going to be packed, travel will be common. People are going to go out and the virus will likely spread and do so quite effectively as it has been clear it is quite contagious for a long time.

    If you believe the University of Illinois Champagne (up where I currently live) people will be reinfected and children and young adults will be at a higher risk.

    Essentially we would be at the mercy of the drug mutating into a less severe version of its self or finding a vaccine.
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    So someone is taking shots at Bill Gates now? That's what we need to do in this pandemic? Y'all don't use ignore enough. Seriously.
     
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    So maybee there is a connection with vitamin D defiency and the chance to develop cytocine storm (and die).

    The evidence and the logical connection/leaps in the study seems pretty flimsy to me, but whatever.

    Get your vitamin D.
     
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    There flat out isn't gonna be a normal for us until a vaccine is widely available. There's no exit strategy for our current situation that avoids a surge in Covid cases, whether we do it at the end of April or in September. We just have to make sure the surge isn't a tidal wave.

    I've always been of the mindset that we're just gonna have to adapt for the time being. Theaters with 2 seats and significant gaps, tables spaced out in restaurants, and jobs that can be done at home should (a ton of companies force people to physically come to work when it most certainly isn't necessary. Bars should remain closed, and all expos, sporting events, concerts etc should be as well. Something should also be put in place to allow working elders to stay home.

    I don't see how herd immunity is supposed to kick in when so much of the herd is behaving abnormally to avoid catching this. While we're in lockdown the case load will no doubt slow down a ton, but we can't keep this up and as soon as the herd is released it's March/April all over again.

    It's beyond frustrating how reactive we've been to this. We've reached the plateau, the case count should start to go down here soon and by late April the dust should mostly be settled, how do we proceed from there. Seeing what I've seen from our leadership, I don't expect our plan to be a good one.
     
  18. Major

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    The alternative is finding a Tamiflu-like treatment. The big issue is the crazy high hospitalization rate. If you can get the # of severe cases down and make it effectively a milder virus, you solve a chunk of the "normalcy" problem.
     
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  19. malakas

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    There are only two candidates available.
    Remdesivir and favipiravir.
    Nothing else.
    And Favipiravir has crazy side effects.

    There is zero chance to develop a new antiviral drug out of nowhere in the next months.

    A new antiviral will take longer than even the vaccine.

    With the vaccine if someone (China) throws the bioethical matters out of the window they can develop it by the end of the year if there is no problem.

    If they find.."volunteers" and after the shot they expose them "voluntarily" to the virus you immediately can finish phase 2 in no time

    With a new drug that is impossible.

    With vaccines there are clear strategies and experience.
    With an antiviral drug they don't even know where to start.
     
  20. malakas

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    btw if 15 years ago they hadn't abandoned the effort to develop a vaccine for SARS and we had it now, it would be quite possible that it would have offered complete or limited immunity to the new virus too.
    :rolleyes: :(

    But yeah..who wanted to invest and "Waste" all that money for an extinct virus?

    Lessons to be learned for humanity.
     
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