[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

I really don't view twitter very differently from youtube comments, which in the internet version of writing on the bathroom stalls in schools/bars. Bernie has a large young support base, and young people are naturally very active on twitter. Nobody outside of Bernie and Trump has a huge internet base, and what small online support other candidates do have, they are usually in age groups that aren't hyperactive twitter people, so it's no wonder why no other candidates don't have supporters "dunking" or "exposing" people on twitter.

@Deckard @Os Trigonum @B-Bob , all over 40, all supporting the moderate dems this election correct? How often do y'all attempt to dunk on people on twitter? How many non-Millenials are hyperactive on twitter?

Bernie is running for president, he condemns any bad acting, any bullying, misbehaving. So he's done his job on that end, outside making a statement condemning the actions, it's not his full-time job to stop kids from being mean on Twitter, and it's a bit ridiculous for anybody to expect it to be. He's not Trump, he's condemning the actions, he's not creating dangerous racist rhetoric, he's not calling for his supporters to knock the hell out of anybody, he's not applauding chants to lock anybody up, he's not "good people on both sides"-ing anything.

 

Wait what?

The NYT, Post and MSNBC have been doing gangbusters since Trump was elected and its because they are so critical of him.\

What about this is not a genuine discussion?

You just have very thin skin and can't take anybody criticizing your candidate and the tactics of his supporters.

That's your issue not mine.

 

How do you know they are unverified?

And yes there are ways to track twitter accounts.

You are making zero sense.

 

Do you watch any news?

MSNBC has been complaining about this since 2016.

Once again how do you know they are unverified?

 

Says the expert.

I guess you think if Bernie gets elected he can implement everything.

What did I say that was wrong?

 

I will support whoever I think will beat Mr trump. I will support whoever wins the nomination because trump winning another term is unthinkable. Having said that, I've made clear that I support Pete Buttigieg. I'm actually to the left of Pete on some issues, but I find him a very appealing candidate. He's smart, articulate, and appeals to a lot of moderate Democrats and independents, who's votes are needed to win, and who tend to not be wild about Sanders or Warren. I also very much doubt that he can get the nomination. However, he is the most appealing candidate to me of those who are hoping to head the Democratic ticket in this election cycle.

I keep hoping that by some miracle a candidate will come out of the blue that I like as much as Pete who can actually win the nomination and then win the election. No one has shown up. I think Pete could beat trump, given similar financial resources. Mr trump would be a fool to debate him. Of course, trump thinks he can beat anyone.

What I find ironic is that Pete is only "moderate" on things like healthcare in comparison to what Sanders and Warren say they would do, even though I have yet to hear a clear answer as to how they would pay for it.. What Pete wants to do regarding healthcare is to the left of what Obama attempted to do in 2008 or Ms Clinton wanted to do in 2016, but 12 years after Obama and 4 years after Hillary, he's a "moderate."

 

I like Bernie. He isn't my first choice but I like him. I've liked him since before 2016. He was my first choice in 2016.

But I don't think that anyone should deny that there is a core of Bernie supporters who don't play well with others. They are problematic to a point where a Bernie supporter in 2016 (Sarah Silverman) called them out at the convention. They aren't doing Bernie any favors with their abrasiveness towards people who could and possibly would be their allies.

Bernie says the right things in renouncing those tactics, but has he fired staff members who encouraged them? Or has he pulled a Senator Collins?

 

Forgot about the Silverman thing.

Must have been a bot.

 

There are two different trains of thought on the question of getting moderate and independent support.

One train is, if we elect a moderate candidate, we will get the moderate/independents.

The other is, if we elect a populist candidate, we will get the moderate/independents.

Bernie supporters will argue, we elected a moderate candidate in Clinton, she failed. Moderate supporters will say they don't believe that counts because of how unliked Hillary is.

What stands out to me, is that Bernie absolutely crushed Hillary on independents in 2016, by nearly a 30% margin. Bernie has also won the highest % of independent support in both IA/NH THIS year, against the current moderates who aren't heavily disliked, like Hillary is.

Bernie was the first non-republican to win the senate in Vermont in the last 170 years. Bernie is one of the longest-running independent senators in US history, was one of the longest-running independent congressmen in US history.

Bernie's populist campaign based around being un-corrupt, wanting to get money out of politics, his record of being consistent, honest, on the right side of social issues, on the right side of opposing war, on the right side of opposing bad trade deals, his history of fighting for the poor, fighting for the working class, fighting for veterans, makes him favorable to many independents. For this reason, I think he'd give us the best chance to beat Trump.

Where Bernie is having a tough time, is mainstream democrats, not independents... it seems to bother many Dems how Bernie is challenging the status quo, challenging long time house names like Biden and Hillary... but like you Judoka, mainstream democrats are voters who are always determined to vote blue no matter who, will come out and vote for the Dem nominee to defeat Trump in the primary (except for Nook). This is why I don't think this would be a problem in the general, Bernie brings in new voters, young voters, and independents, all he needs is a little bit of #Unity in the general, the backing of the older core democrats, to crush Trump.

 

I was a yang guy and have not decided on my primary vote yet in Cali. Voted Bernie in 2016 primary. Will vote for any non-crook opposing trump in 2020 general.

have definitely lost old friends over their Berner craziness.

in the end, you sound really defensive, bro. No need to attack oldsters when they make simple observations. Peace.

 

I think you really misinterpreted my attitude in the post, I wasn't upset or feeling defensive when making that post, I was just trying to make an honest point. My bad if it came off that way.

I quoted you, OS and Deck to honestly ask if any of you are super active on twitter and have ever participated in exposing/dunking on people twitter (or perhaps FB?). This seems to be super common with young people, not so common with people 40+, as social media tends to be. You guys actively post politically here, so I figured I'd ask if that translated.

I think the dunking/exposing on twitter in a demographic thing, not particular to Bernie or Trump, this is just going to be a popular thing with any people who have large support bases online, within social media platforms like youtube, twitter, FB.

Yang had his own online base that was brewing but it was tiny in comparison to the Trump/Sanders trains. I thought I saw you post favorably towards Amy a couple of times which is why I assumed you were going moderate.

 

im mostly joking. I'm just adding on to the "big girls need love too" thread.

 

I take your point on you believing Pete isn't as moderate as he's advertised. I'm just using the terms that are popular this year, Pete/Biden/Amy/Bloom are called moderates, Bernie/Warren/Tulsi/Yang have been called progressives.

My question for you was based on the whole Bernie Bro's being mean on twitter thing, I suspect this is something that's not specific to Bernie, but specific to young people grouping up on Twitter, regardless of who they support. Do you feel people in your age demographic tend to be active on twitter? Tend to be actively attacking people on social media?

 

I can tell you that I come across a lot of moderates that claim they will vote for anyone against Trump - except Sanders.

I don’t think fleshing out his programs will help at all. They are cost prohibitive and when it gets into the details it becomes obvious it isn’t realistic.

 

You brought up the 2016 contest for the Democratic nomination. Since you did, I'll mention something I still haven't forgotten, because I think it had an effect, however small, on an election that was extremely close. It is worth noting that Bernie waited a month to endorse Hillary, an embarrassingly long time for him to get around to it. The speech he gave when he did? In a speech that went almost 2200 words, the only time he actually mentioned endorsing Ms Clinton was in this sentence, "I have come here to make it as clear as possible as to why I am endorsing Hillary Clinton and why she must become our next president." That's it. He gives a long speech essentially praising his supporters (no problem with him doing that) and himself (which I found a bit odd only because of how much he did it), and puts in one sentence endorsing the presumptive nominee after waiting a month to do so.

In contrast, Hillary Clinton endorsed Obama 4 days after he had won a majority of the delegates and became the presumptive nominee. This is from CNN: Sen. Hillary Clinton formally ended her presidential campaign Saturday, saying to a packed house of thousands of supporters, "I will continue to stand strong with you every time, every place and every way that I can." She urged the cheering crowd to support Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, in his bid for the White House, saying she and supporters should "take our energy, our passion and our strength and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama ... I ask all of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me." Quite a striking contrast. Hillary Clinton ran a terrible campaign against trump. I said that several times here at the time. Still, it was very close. Bernie's lukewarm endorsement didn't help. Many of his supporters stayed home, or voted for the Green or Libertarian party. Some, incredibly, voted for trump.

This isn't 2016, however, This is 4 years later, and whoever wins will face an incumbent president who will lie and cheat, do anything he can to win, including getting support from foreign governments, something he did in 2016 and is attempting to do now. You describe Bernie's performance in New Hampshire in glowing terms, yet he only got 25.7% of the vote, compared to Pete's 24.4%, Amy Klobuchar's 19.8%, and Elizabeth Warren's 9.2%. Frankly, I was shocked at how poorly he did, as well as Ms Warren, and was very surprised at how well Senator Klobuchar did. Pete's performance didn't surprise me. He was expected to do well. As for Bernie, for a man who is supposedly on a roll to get the Democratic nomination, he didn't exactly have a powerful showing in his backyard.

I had to add, Tulsi Gabbard is a progressive? The darling of the far right?

 

Really , all this back and forth about Bernie's Bullies is taking away from what we should be talking about and that's Bernie's Policies and how he plans to pay for it all.


Being direct - I will NOT vote for Bernie because of his policies .... IDGAF about his internet bullies.

 

The reason Bernie took so long to endorse is because he was negotiating with Clinton on adopting some of his policies (like tuition-free college). Bernie wanted to do what he could for the American people, and I respect him for doing that.

Bernie went on to hold about 40 rallies for Clinton in his efforts to help her beat Trump. Clinton only held about a dozen for Obama. 12% of Bernie's supporters went on to vote for Trump, 15% of Hillary supporters voted McCain. I think the argument that Bernie lost Hillary the election is very poor.

I didn't describe Sander's victory in any glowing terms? I factually stated that Bernie got the most independent vote% out of any candidate in both IA/NH. I'm didn't even comment on Bernie winning? The whole topic was moderate and independent support.

Yes Tulsi is thought of as a progressive by some, our first impressions are shaped on how we first meet people, I was introduced to Tulsi back in 2016 when she backed Bernie's campaign, I was re-introduced to her for her 2020 campaign by independent media, and the Joe Rogan podcast. I'm sure the light that she was introduced in to you was very different, which ultimately painted a very different picture. I'm not an active supporter or fan of hers,(I don't dislike her either) but I recognize that she is more in the progressive lane then moderate. I appreciate her input on wanting to end foreign intervention, just as I appreciated Yang's campaign and concerns on automation, good discussions to be brought to the table in the debates.

Again Deck, B-Bob, I'm probably a jackass who was poor tone awareness on my post, but I wasn't attempting to attack anybody, or call you guys out on anything, I was legitimately trying to ask your opinions on the social media controversy relative to demographics.

 

I've read you say this repeatedly about his policies and honestly I don't get it. Bernie is a gate way politician. He'll push the envelope where it needs to go and perhaps we'll settle somewhere less than where Bernie is but I'm good with that. Bernie will have to make compromises on his agenda just like every politician does in order to make things more palatable to the independent voter. I don't have a problem with banning fracking. Fracking is an environmental catastrophe waiting to happen. I don't have a problem with free community college which is where I think Bernie will land with that policy. I certainly have no problem with Medicare for all which I think is about 50 years late at this point. I read Clinton talking **** and all I can say is she should just **** off already. I hear Wall Street is uptight about socialism but it's not really THE socialism, it's just a little bit mixed in which we already have to a degree.

Overall though, more than his policies, I think he's a straight shooter. Certainly more than Pete. I voted for Bernie in 2016 and I'm ready to do it again. My only concern with Bernie is his age and his physical health. I have no concerns about him mentally like Trump's deranged ass or Biden's shaky self.

 

Interesting that Bernies ads in Texas seem to be paying off. I’ve caught some of them and it’s really pretty sharp messaging.

Bernies big issue is just simply reputation. He’s already shifted on health care messaging and it’s not even the general election yet. They went after Obama as a socialist too but that didn’t work so we’ll see how the reputation as being “extreme” can be softened a bit in the general if he wins.

I think two things will be crucial-

-Will Bloomberg stay to true to his word and roll his support to Bernie? Trump is going to have something like a billion dollars in dark money to use in the general. Bloomberg’s infrastructure staying in tact and at least softening Trump and calling out his lies is a big deal. Bloomberg doesn’t need to support Bernie directly to still support Bernie.

-The VP pick will be crucial. It could give some of these never Bernies a chance to say “but I trust such and such to moderate his proposals”.