Most of the Russia investigation wasn't out before the election. The worst findings weren't released until after the elections. Finding that Russia did, in fact, try and hack voter rolls, carried out multiple campaigns to influence the election in favor of Trump all happened. But the wost most damning parts of that investigation came after the election. The actual verified evidence has been discussed on here and really exists. So... 1. It wasn't a hoax 2. It wasn't done to influence the election. What I am aware of, are a bunch of theories with no real evidence about things Democrats have done. None of them involved putting pressure on foreign leaders to investigate political rivals.
What's more likely is Trump, Rudy, and his supporters are victim of conspiracy theories. These theories used to belong to a dark corner where few pay attention to but now that Trump believe them and IS HAVING THE AG and his personal lawyer actively engaging them, it's being accepted widely among his supporters. To me, this has always been one of the most dangerous side effect of the Trump presidency. This isn't anything new either - people were concern about this "side effect" of a Trump presidency well before the 2016 election.
Ben Ghazi has an excellent take on moving forward with impeachment of the entire Clinton family: https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/26/86-things-democrats-have-cited-as-reasons-to-impeach-trump/
What is funny is people trying to excuse Trump's traitorous behavior by blaming the whistle blower......the dude broke the law - that is the end of it right there... DD
The dude is a national hero. Other than a possible book deal, he has a lot to lose and little to gain. It took huge courage to do what he did. I know I'm not brave enough.
I used to support impeachment despite the obvious Senate dead-end because I had faith 1) the investigation would turn up tons of terrible things (it will) and 2) Republicans would suffer massive long-term damage because of it. Now, I'm not sure. I have little faith that the Democrats can actually politically navigate these waters and not let Trump turn this into a win for himself. Further, the purposefully Republican-engineered dysfunction of our democracy is likely too big of an obstacle to overcome, even if Trump loses the battle politically. So, in short, legally speaking I've supported impeachment from Day 1 because the Dotard has a genocidal amount of skeletons in his closet. Politically speaking I think impeachment is a losing proposition because I don't trust Democrats' political compass and have no faith in Republicans to do the right thing, and I really really don't trust our broken democratic machinery.
Their duty is to impeach, as long as they follow their duty, they will be fine. Screw politics, do the right thing. DD
Ehh... The impeachment of Trump resulting in him being removed from office would be a disaster for the Republican party. There would be resentment from those that support the President, that Republican politicians rolled over and didn't support the President. Some moderates and independents would view the Republican party as damaged goods. It very well could result in the election of a Democrat President for 3 election cycles, which would define the Supreme Court for 25 years. You would have third party candidates on the Right emerge. It isn't something that they can possibly support.
This is a different era and this is different that Watergate. There is not any real cohesion between the left and right at this point.
Reuters has been out asking voters in the most important swing counties in America what they think about the Democrat's impeachment effort. Republican voters see it backfiring, while Democrat voters fear they may be right. Republicans see impeachment backfiring. Democrats fear they may be right Among the public, interviews with more than 60 voters across four of the most important counties in the 2020 election showed Republicans largely confident the impeachment process will backfire and Trump will win re-election. Democrats, on the other hand, are worried they may be right. A Reuters/Ipsos poll taken on Monday and Tuesday showed 37% of respondents favored impeaching the president versus 45% who were opposed. That 37% figure was down from 41% three weeks earlier and down from 44% in May, after the release of former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian meddling in the 2016 election. “They have this idea that everyone is siding with them, that Trump is an impeachable president, when really it’s only a minority,” Rose Mulet, 19, said of the Democratic leadership in Congress. “It’s not a reflection of the general public.”
https://www.vox.com/2019/9/27/20886...ter-support-growing-nancy-pelosi-donald-trump Early polls show voter support for impeachment is growing Following House Democrats’ announcement of a formal impeachment inquiry, there’s been an uptick in voter support. By Li Zhouli@vox.com Sep 27, 2019, 12:50pm EDTShare this on Facebook (opens in new window) Share this on Twitter (opens in new window) SHAREAll sharing options Protesters calling for President Trump’s impeachment rally on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, on September 26, 2019. Andrew Caballero-Reynolds/AFP/Getty Images Two new polls this week highlight the same trend: voter support for impeachment is growing. Both surveys were conducted amid a dizzying week of developments in Washington, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s announcement of a formal impeachment inquiry as well as the emergence of a whistleblower report regarding a phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. According to a Politico/Morning Consult poll that was conducted between September 24 and 26, support for impeachment across party lines now stands at 43 percent, an uptick from 36 percent just last week. Similarly, a HuffPost/YouGov poll, also fielded between September 24 and 26, found that the margin between those backing impeachment and those who oppose it was expanding. In this week’s survey, 47 percent supported impeachment, while 39 percent opposed it, compared to 43 percent and 41 percent that felt the same way in a previous September poll. An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll that was held on September 25 also found that 49 percent of voters favor impeachment proceedings. These polls, while broadly conducted before the release of the whistleblower complaint on Thursday, show a shift in public sentiment since Pelosi’s impeachment inquiry announcement earlier this week. While it’s still very early to know whether such shifts in the public mood will stick, the polls do suggest that House Democrats’ decision to move forward with the inquiry along with the new information that’s come out about the Trump-Zelensky phone call on July 25 could be altering how voters view impeachment. In both the Politico/Morning Consult and HuffPost/YouGov polls, the increases in support for impeachment were largely fueled by Democratic voters. The Morning Consult poll saw an increase from 66 percent to 79 percent among Democratic voters, 33 percent to 39 percent among Independent voters, and 5 percent to 10 percent among Republican voters. The HuffPost/YouGov poll, too, saw an uptick of 74 percent to 81 percent among Democratic voters, 35 percent to 37 percent among Independents and a dip among Republicans from 16 percent to 11 percent. In both the Politico/Morning Consult poll and the NPR survey, a majority of voters emphasized that they were keeping a close eye on the news, though the HuffPost/YouGov poll found that 42 percent of respondents hadn’t heard enough about Trump’s call with Zelensky to determine if allegations being brought against him were credible — suggesting that voters could still change their minds after they continue to learn more about the brewing scandal. It’s worth noting that there’s a lot we still don’t know about how voters will react to an impeachment inquiry as it unfolds, and that sentiment toward it could still change significantly in either direction. As HuffPost’s Ariel Edwards-Levy emphasizes, polling on impeachment has seen wide variability based on how questions are written, and fluctuations are not always obviously attributable to a news development. The numbers this week, however, indicate that impeachment — though still highly polarizing — could gain more support, especially if Democrats continue to unify behind the House’s newly aggressive posture and some independents and Republicans follow along. The public’s reactions to impeachment have long been a major factor that House Democrats have cited as their rationale for avoiding the process. There have been ongoing calls for impeachment from the progressive wing of the party (Rep. Rashida Tlaib first introduced an impeachment resolution in March), but House leadership has been averse to the idea, citing potential electoral consequences. Many Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have previously viewed impeachment as so divisive that it would fire up Trump’s base for the 2020 election and potentially endanger moderate Democrats, especially those in districts that went for Trump in 2016. Others who have been in favor of impeachment have said that House leadership could make the case for impeachment, and in doing so, change public sentiment that way. This recent polling data suggests that we may be seeing the latter.
They would have to reinvent themself. They did that it in 2016~18. Yes, the pressure was building but the change was abrupt and quick. If you have noticed, the close to top and definitely 2nd tier Dem solution is pretty leftish. A new Republican Party that take the mid to the right but rid itself of the extreme right is quite competitive if not more than the current Republican Party. I can’t possible know how republicans think of this. But speaking for myself, i would consider them again if they reinvented themself in a similar way.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-first-few-post-ukraine-polls-say-about-impeachment/ What The First Few Post-Ukraine Polls Say About Impeachment By Dhrumil Mehta Filed under Impeachment PHOTO ILLUSTRATION BY FIVETHIRTYEIGHT / GETTY IMAGES Welcome to Pollapalooza, our weekly polling roundup. Poll(s) of the week In the week since The Wall Street Journal first broke the news that President Trump allegedly pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son in a July phone call, six pollstersAs of 6 p.m. Thursday. Excluding a Marist poll that was conducted on Wednesday and asked several questions about the “impeachment inquiry,” but none about whether or not Americans support impeachment itself. 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Most early polls show uptick in support for impeachment The final poll conducted in April, July and September* from pollsters that have released a poll after news about Trump’s call to the Ukrainian president first broke on Sept. 20 SUPPORT FOR IMPEACHMENT IN POLLS TAKEN … POLLSTER POST-MUELLER REPORT (4/18) POST-MUELLER TESTIMONY (7/24) POST-UKRAINE NEWS (9/20) OVERALL CHANGE YouGov/HuffPost** 37% 41% 47% +10 Morning Consult/Politico 34 37 43 +9 Quinnipiac 29 32 37 +8 HarrisX/ScottRasmussen.com 42 43 44 +2 Ipsos/Reuters 40 — 39 -1 SurveyMonkey/Business Insider — — 45 — *For polls released before Sept. 27, 2019. **The post-Mueller-testimony YouGov/HuffPost number is from a poll conducted Aug. 9-10; that pollster’s July poll was conducted before the testimony. Polls started on or after the relevant date with the exception of the post-Ukraine Quinnipiac poll, which started the day before that story broke. Different polls survey different subsets of the U.S. population (e.g. all adults, registered voters, likely voters). SOURCE: POLLS First, although support for impeaching the president is shy of a majority, polling suggests that a majority of Americans do disapprove of Trump’s actions. A YouGov/Economist poll released Wednesday found that 52 percent of Americans said it is inappropriate for the president to request a foreign government open an investigation into a potential political opponent. (By contrast, 22 percent said it was appropriate, and 26 percent said they weren’t sure.) And in that same poll, 62 percent of Americans said that it is inappropriate for the president to threaten withholding foreign aid to a country if it refuses to “take an action which personally benefits the President.” (Only 14 percent said it is appropriate, and 24 percent were not sure.) But as editor-in-chief Nate Silver pointed out on Tuesday, just because a majority disapproves of the president’s actions doesn’t mean a majority supports impeaching him. In the Quinnipiac University poll that came out after the publication of the Mueller report, for example, 54 percent of Americans thought Trump had “attempted to derail or obstruct the investigation into the Russian interference in the 2016 election,” and 46 percent thought Trump had committed crimes while president, but only 29 percent said Congress should begin the impeachment process. So support for impeachment could remain low this time around, too, but it could also be different. A separate YouGov poll conducted Tuesday found that a majority of Americans may either “strongly” or “somewhat” support impeachment if Trump “suspended military aid to Ukraine in order to incentivize the country’s officials to investigate his political rival.” And that’s not the only evidence to suggest that support for impeachment could increase. Of the five polls from which we have data so far, one is from a high-quality telephone pollster — Quinnipiac. And their latest poll shows a 5-percentage-point increase in support for impeachment overall and a 12-percentage-point increase among Democrats since they were last asked the question in July. Keep in mind, too, this poll went into the field on Sept. 19 — a full day before The Wall Street Journal first broke the story of Trump’s call with Zelensky, and only stayed in the field through Monday, the day before House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the impeachment inquiry. But, of course, it’s important to note that all of this polling is really preliminary. Even over the course of this week, a lot has happened that the polls don’t account for. For example, not all of these polls capture changes in public opinion following Pelosi’s announcement of an official impeachment inquiry, nor do they capture public reactions to the memo of the phone call between Trump and Zelensky that the White House released on Wednesday. And none of them factor in the testimony of Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire before Congress on Thursday morning. Americans may still be digesting the flurry of news and deciding how they feel about it. According to a Marist poll conducted Wednesday, 32 percent of Americans said they weren’t closely following news about the impeachment inquiry. And according to the YouGov/HuffPost poll, when asked if they found the allegation that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Biden’s son credible, 42 percent of respondents said that they weren’t sure or hadn’t heard enough to say. So as Americans learn more about the impeachment inquiry, they could start to support it more, or they could support it less. We’ll be tracking the polls to find out.
I would consider them as well, especially if the left goes to far to the left. The problem is that a lot of the support the Republicans have at this point is far to the left and bound to Trump. I think it would take them awhile to rebrand themselves and in the interim would lose a lot of power. Who knows for sure though.
