President Donald Trump is not racist

mmhmm. And yet decades of Trump in the public eye with nothing about this, until he ran for office.

I'm done here.

 

No, it had been out there for quite a while. The fact that you didn't pay attention to it shows that you were out long before this announcement of yours.

Also, you do realize there wasn't really any reason to make a big deal out of it until he wanted to become the leader of the free world. Then lo and behold his actions mattered more. Imagine that.

 

So apparently debating isn’t your strong suit.

He asserted that Trump is a racist and then provided supporting arguments for that assertion. You then said that Trump is not a racist and declared his supporting arguments invalid without interacting with the actual arguments themselves.

The burden of proof is on you now as he has already supported his assertion with arguments. You can’t just hand wave his reasons away without interacting with them.

 

Regardless of whether or not Trump is racist, these three mentioned items were newsworthy at the time they happened. As an example, Trump was on Larry King explaining his ad back in 1989.

As with all politics, they became fodder for the opposition and were more in the limelight during the campaign.

 

Here's a start...

• 1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to discriminating before.
• 1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”
• 1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speechaccusing countries like Japan of “stripping the United States of economic dignity.” This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.
• 1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.
• 1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interviewthat “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
• 1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
• 1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”
• 2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of adssuggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”
• 2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”
• 2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”
• 2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”
• 2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a ”carnival barker.” (The research has found a strong correlation between “birtherism,” as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
• 2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

 

You have to explain how it is "bad evidence". Quote box the Individual examples and SHOW with YOUR OWN WORDS how it's "bad evidence". Your word that it is "bad evidence" is not debating. You are stating a premise and not explaining or justifyibg your premise.

Debate and discussion wouldn't be much debate and discussion if anytime someone believes someone is putting forth bad examples just ends with "that's bad evidence".

You probably already understand this very well and are just squirming and swinging at air to obfuscate.

 

Show how it is utter bs. Explain. Quote every example I've given and explain case by case how the example is out of context, false etc.

 

Go case by case and explain why they are wrong. You claiming "propaganda" or "fake evidence" at face value isn't going to convince anyone. You have to explain HOW.


Here, I'll quote my list again. I can add more if you want also:

 

As one of the more centrists in this group, i find the candidates screaming "Racist!" very offputting but i also know that the current president's actions arent without racial criticism. The Charlottesville example of racism is often cited but shouldnt be.

 

So you really don’t understand that you calling something bad evidence doesn’t actually make it bad evidence? You have to support that assertion.

And why would I bring my own examples whenever there are already good examples that he brought up that you are refusing to interact with?

Here is an idea: stop deflecting and actually deal with his arguments and show why you think they are bad evidence. Then people might actually take what you say seriously.

 

No you actually never have and I can show Individual posts of the past couple of years where I have made similar lists and you resort to gaslighting and never addressing a single example and how it is wrong or out of context. You've never attempted to rebut the list. You just dismiss it without any explination of why for each example. You have plenty of time. You post here on an almost daily basis and so do I so "time" isn't a viable excuse.