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Kawhi is 100x better than harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Htowngenius, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. YOLO

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    as depth sure but as core guys not so much. lowry has been his usual bad playoff lowry. hes played somewhat better in the finals but none of that changes how bad hes been prior.

    gasol would face a similiar situation defensively for this team. who knows how that would work out here. toronto has length and size to help him. a whole lot more than he would have here
     
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    Not so sure about that. Few examples:

    And then you have this guy flip-flopping

    But now today according to above all of a sudden Raptors 2-8 is so much better than Rockets

    Fact is Kawhi makes all his teammates better via the style of basketball he plays. Same can't be said of Harden...
     
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    Is this a joke? Man, you guys are really out here thinking Harden actually makes our players worse.
     
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    Are you serious? If Gasol couldnt shoot the three, he wouldnt see the floor against GS. But he has been and his passing has also been great for the Raptors as well. But enough about Gasol, how about everyone outside of him, you think the raptors are playing with bums out there. This is funny. Lowry is playing much better than Cp did in our series and look how big of an impact hes making this series. Then you have Danny Green,Ibaka(whos highly highly outperforming Clint) Vanfleet, Powell, Siakm, and they even have OG Annunoby waiting on the sidelines. That roster is better than ours. Their talent level is better.

    Haha, this is so funny, multiple analysts disagree with you, Harden is clearly the superior offensive players. All this "make his guys better stuff" all comes up when a team wins.
     
  5. YOLO

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    the numbers certainly don't agree with this. but this just goes back to a lot of people being extremely dramatic about cp3's play. they needed him to be great but since he was just solid, it translates to he just sucked

    lowry should be getting drilled. his numbers against gs in the finals are worse than cp3's
     
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    Hey, great evidence you provided to support that "fact". sick post man!
     
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  7. HP3

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    Hmm, link please? Either way I guess I agree somewhat. Scoring wise, at least against GS, they are comparable. But Lowry has done a better job of running his team's offense than Cp has our series. This might be the worst assist to turnover ratio of Cp's career in term of POs.

    Lowry has been a big part of why Toronto has been beating GS. Hes Toronto's second best player for this series imo.
     
  8. YOLO

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    Siakim has easily been Toronto’s 2nd best player. The rockets don’t have a 2 way player like him or anyone like him for that matter with the versatility offensively and defensively

    Lowry’s numbers against gs can easily be seen as lower. He’s even shooting worse from 3 than cp3. It’s on any series stat page. Just bc toronto happens to be in control of the series, let’s not assume Lowry is just playing magnificent. He isn’t. He’s been somewhat better that the playoff Lowry everyone has gotten use to but that’s bc playoff Lowry is just terrible
     
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    It's amusing to me that people claim that every team would be better off with another superstar, like Leonard, rather than Harden. Harden and Leonard have strengths and weaknesses that would better elevate different teams.

    I actually think Harden would be better for Toronto and Leonard would be better for us. I think Paul would mesh better with Leonard, as Leonard isn't the kind of offensive fulcrum (best off controlling the ball all the time) that negates some of Paul's best ability--and, in addition, Leonard would elevate Houston's defense. The Raptors are full of excellent, long defenders and Lowry functions fine as an off-ball shooter. Paul can do that too, but Lowry doesn't have Paul's remarkable abilities to conduct an offense to somewhat go to waste. Toronto would be better off with everyone playing off of Harden, whereas Houston would be better off with a stud finisher to play off Paul.

    I think Leonard and Harden are pretty comparable overall talents--the idea that every team would be better off with a specific one of them over the other is silly. Depending on team makeup, one or the other would be better.
     
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    No way will the Rockets be a 4th seed in the West (especially this year) with Kawhi, CP3, Ego, and Capela missing a bunch of games like they probably will.
     
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    Player A: 37.2 mins 5.0-12.8 36.7% 2.0-6.2 27.0% 2.2-2.6 83.3% 3.4 rebs 6.6 ast 0.6 blk 1.4 stl 4.4 pf 2.4 to 14.2 ppg

    Player B: 38.7 mins. 5.5-12.5 44.0% 1.8-5.8 31.2% 3.8-4.8 83.1% 7.2 rebs 5.7 ast 0.3 blk 1.7 stl 3.3 pf 3.0 to 16.7 ppg

    take a guess which one is lowry and which one is cp3 @HP3
     
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    its not that ISO doesn't work, its just we dont have enough talent to do it. the cavs won with a lot of ISO because they had TWO elite scorers. we need more talent. the fact the rockets have been very competitive against them despite wide gap in talent should tell you something.
     
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    What's disturbing to me is that for our roster, Cp3's biggest value would hopefully be playmaking and 3 point shooting, but his assist to turnover ratio and 3-point percentage are both worse that Lowry. Lowry has basically been 3:1 in the playoffs, but Cp3 is significantly less than 2:1.
     
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    If there even has to be a debate about who had a better playoff performance between the Point God and fat Lowry, that should be more telling than anything.
     
  17. YOLO

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    Yet one person plays with a dominant high usage player and one does not. Cp3 still puts up what he does and he’s described as trash
     
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    Lowry is the motor of their offense. Just because hes not been a reliable scorer, hes been running their offense better than Cp has for us. Siakm hasnt been super great since game 1. Like hes been very good, but Lowry is the leader for their offense.
     
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    Had Lowry been putting up what he’s doing right now for hou cf’s would riot. So if someone’s going to praise Lowry, that same person shouldn’t be saying anything bad about cp3. But as usual consistency isn’t that prevalent around here.
     
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    Hes not trash and i love CP, and you know he did score better than Lowry, but he was not himself when he was running the team. His turnovers were bad. And if we are gonna blame one player having a dominant usage,than why was Cp significantly better in this regard last year. I love Cp(and I am against trading him) but we def needed more out of him. He was not at last year's level.
     
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