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No voting if you owe court fines

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Contributing Member

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  2. Jump Ship

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    Less middle class and poor voters. Wonder who that is good for?
     
  3. Amiga

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    Voter suppression innovation
     
  4. King1

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    Pay your court fines then. It's really not that difficult to pay your bills. Funny how people think that they should be absolved of their responsibilities. Simple solution. Don't break the law
     
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    Someone should take them to court over this.
     
  6. Nook

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    Two separate things. Should they ask for proof of auto insurance for everyone that drives to the polls?
     
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    What else can we deny people who don't pay fines?

    "We need to do an emergency appendectomy...as soon as you pay this jaywalking ticket."
     
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    One is not equal to the other, if you owe court fines, you still have your rights - there is no debters prison anymore, this would not stand up to a challenge.

    Repulbicans are losing all over the country, and are doing everything they can to try to stay in power - it is the last ride of the angry ignorant white man.

    DD
     
  9. NewRoxFan

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    Perhaps harder than you'd think...

    USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

    AMONG THOSE WHO SAY BILLIONAIRE DIDN'T PAY: DISHWASHERS, PAINTERS, WAITERS

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

    A brief history of Trump's small-time swindles
    https://theweek.com/articles/783976/brief-history-trumps-smalltime-swindles
     
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  10. Anticope

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    There are already a separate set of consequences for not paying court fines. People shouldn't have their voting rights taken away for something completely unrelated to voting just because paying fines is the responsible thing to do, what a terrible argument.
     
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    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    People shall have their gun confiscated if they haven’t been able to pay their government issued fine.

    People shall not have the right to free speech if they haven’t been able to pay their government issued fine.

    People shall not have the right to attend church if they haven’t been able to pay their government issued fine.

    ....

    Pretty creative and simple solution - give the government more power to suppress rights based on fines they control.
     
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    Here's an article on it: https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...proves-bill-requiring-felons-to-pay-all-court

    I guess the idea is that felons have their voting rights restored once they complete their sentence, but sentences often include paying money so they aren't done until they pay. It looks like this effort is saying that you'd have to pay not just any fine that was included in your sentencing, but all other court fees owed too. That seems like a bridge too far. Especially considering the movement on the bail bond system and the abuses of court fees the DOJ was pursuing in Ferguson and other such cases, it's really out of step with the direction we're mostly headed in regarding the interaction of jail-time and money. If your sentence includes a fine of $X, I'm fine with denying the vote until you pay $X, but if the court charges you $A for processing, $B for court time, $C for parking, $D for your incarceration, and $E for your phone call, none of that should be relevant -- it shouldn't be assessed in the first place, but it definitely shouldn't impact your rights.
     
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    I obviously realize that would be impossible because someone could carpool, take uber, a cab, bus, ect...but I can't stand people who drive without insurance. Especially with so many options out there available to you. Just like drunken driving. There's no excuse
     
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    This will not pass. It’s one of the rights we have as citizens.

    Nice try guys.
     
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    I'm genuinely curious as to what those penalties are if you don't mind informing me.

    The government does restrict some privileges when you don't give them their money owed, like renewing licenses. Florida seems to be applying that precedence towards voting. It begs to question whether representation without taxation is a right.
     
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    If this passes it will be struck down by the courts rather quickly.
     
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    Voting is not a privilege; it's a right.
     
  18. Anticope

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    Late fees, revoking of your license, arrest, community service, there are all sorts of different consequences for not paying fines. Go get a speeding ticket and then do absolutely nothing about it and see how that works out for you.
     
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    This seems overly burdensome (based on this tweet, the only thing I've seen). Though I'm fine with ID laws.
     
  20. jcf

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    This was a pretty powerful, succinct argument. Reframed my view.
     
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